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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 11:29 am
(November 3, 2017 at 8:19 am)Khemikal Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 4:51 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Not at all: when you view an entity as absolute in power, you'll love it and fear it at the same time. Maybe you feel that way, but maybe that's just you? In fairness, it does seem to be a common fixation for people who worship the various incarnations of angry desert god.
No; it's not just me. Actually; I gave an example with nationalists, who love their countries but fear its court systems at the same time.
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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 11:56 am
"Love" is pouring out your elderly mother's catheter bag full of urine, even though it smells bad and makes you want to puke. "Love" is helping her change her soiled panties because she had an accident. "Love" is driving her 4 hours to a doctors appointment 2 to 3 times a year.
Love isn't magic, it isn't written in a Hollywood movie, Greek or Shakespeare play, or a religion. "Love" is in your actions. Love is about being a partner, not being a servant. Love is about accepting yourself first. Love isn't about changing others, but consent and cooperation and compromise and good communication and problem solving.
Love isn't a fantasy, love is work. It can be very rewarding, be it with a family member, or mate. But it isn't magic. It is how you love yourself first, then how you interact with others.
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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 1:24 pm
(November 3, 2017 at 12:34 am)AFTT47 Wrote: Love is thought of as a freaking mess. The closest logical explanation of it I know comes from the fictional character of Commander Data of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
He said: "As I experience certain sensory input patterns my mental pathways become accustomed to them. The inputs eventually are anticipated and even missed when absent."
So love is something which you experience which feels good and you would miss it if it were absent.
Come to think about it, that's not really very mystical at all. Love is something which strikes your fancy in a major way. If you got to experience that and you lost it, that would really suck. Where is the magic? I don't see it. It seems pretty clear cut to me.
See, I wouldn't say that's what love is. That's just feeling. Feelings come and go and change, etc.
Love I see as being a choice we make. A choice to have loyalty to someone, to care for them, sacrifice for them, put them above ourselves, etc.... specifically when we don't "feel" like it.
I'm sure Mr CL wasn't having warm fuzzy feelings about me when i was puking my guts out with a stomach virus last week, and having major liquid diarrhea. Especially since ive had nothing to offer him in our marriage - i dont make money, i cant have children... im a "lemon" of a person if there ever was one. But he stood by me for all of it, and helped me, and sat with me in the emergency room for hours. Even after I told him he could leave to go get food bc he missed dinner, he said he wasn't going to leave me. Just as he won't leave me now and easily find a wife who can offer him so much more than me.
Theres something to be said about these sacrifices - about seeing someone at their absolute worst when they don't have anything to offer you, but standing by anyway, about putting away your own desires or well being for their sake. I wouldn't say it's "proof" of the supernatural, but I would say it serves as another little thing that makes me think there's more to us and to our world than the purely physical, instinctive, mechanical drive.
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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 1:53 pm
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(November 2, 2017 at 8:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Instead, I leave you with a question: Is a love a mysterious language that doesn't prove anything or is a mysterious language that proves everything worth knowing?
False dichotomy.
Quote:And everyone will come with the answer: "false dichotomy", am I right?
Nope. Not everyone.
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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 7:21 pm
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(November 3, 2017 at 11:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 8:19 am)Khemikal Wrote: Maybe you feel that way, but maybe that's just you? In fairness, it does seem to be a common fixation for people who worship the various incarnations of angry desert god.
No; it's not just me. Actually; I gave an example with nationalists, who love their countries but fear its court systems at the same time.
If you want to make comparisons between yourself and other nutballs that's on you....do you really think that nationalists believe that their government is all powerful, or fear it's court system..though, lol? I'd be willing to wager that they think -other- people should fear their court system, themselves..not so much.
Personally, I don't have the sorts of leanings you're describing. It all sounds very unhealthy to me.
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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 8:14 pm
(November 3, 2017 at 1:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 12:34 am)AFTT47 Wrote: Love is thought of as a freaking mess. The closest logical explanation of it I know comes from the fictional character of Commander Data of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
He said: "As I experience certain sensory input patterns my mental pathways become accustomed to them. The inputs eventually are anticipated and even missed when absent."
So love is something which you experience which feels good and you would miss it if it were absent.
Come to think about it, that's not really very mystical at all. Love is something which strikes your fancy in a major way. If you got to experience that and you lost it, that would really suck. Where is the magic? I don't see it. It seems pretty clear cut to me.
See, I wouldn't say that's what love is. That's just feeling. Feelings come and go and change, etc.
Love I see as being a choice we make. A choice to have loyalty to someone, to care for them, sacrifice for them, put them above ourselves, etc.... specifically when we don't "feel" like it.
I'm sure Mr CL wasn't having warm fuzzy feelings about me when i was puking my guts out with a stomach virus last week, and having major liquid diarrhea. Especially since ive had nothing to offer him in our marriage - i dont make money, i cant have children... im a "lemon" of a person if there ever was one. But he stood by me for all of it, and helped me, and sat with me in the emergency room for hours. Even after I told him he could leave to go get food bc he missed dinner, he said he wasn't going to leave me. Just as he won't leave me now and easily find a wife who can offer him so much more than me.
Theres something to be said about these sacrifices - about seeing someone at their absolute worst when they don't have anything to offer you, but standing by anyway, about putting away your own desires or well being for their sake. I wouldn't say it's "proof" of the supernatural, but I would say it serves as another little thing that makes me think there's more to us and to our world than the purely physical, instinctive, mechanical drive.
Perfectly and beautifully said, CL. Love is not a passive thing. It doesn't just fall into your lap and sustain its self indefinitely. You have to work at it every single day; make conscious choices, and often times make compromises that go against your desires. Where we differ is that I don't see that as evidence of the supernatural. 😋❤️
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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 9:23 pm
I love a lot of people. I just want to feel loved. If only from a distance. 
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RE: Love.
November 3, 2017 at 9:28 pm
(November 3, 2017 at 1:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm sure Mr CL wasn't having warm fuzzy feelings about me when i was puking my guts out with a stomach virus last week, and having major liquid diarrhea. Especially since ive had nothing to offer him in our marriage - i dont make money, i cant have children... im a "lemon" of a person if there ever was one. But he stood by me for all of it, and helped me, and sat with me in the emergency room for hours. Even after I told him he could leave to go get food bc he missed dinner, he said he wasn't going to leave me. Just as he won't leave me now and easily find a wife who can offer him so much more than me.
Theres something to be said about these sacrifices - about seeing someone at their absolute worst when they don't have anything to offer you, but standing by anyway, about putting away your own desires or well being for their sake.
I think all the puking and diarrhea would taken care of putting away your own desires.
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RE: Love.
November 17, 2017 at 2:38 am
You don't need God to experience love. Love can be explained by chemicals in your brain.
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RE: Love.
November 17, 2017 at 6:20 am
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(November 3, 2017 at 7:21 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 3, 2017 at 11:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: No; it's not just me. Actually; I gave an example with nationalists, who love their countries but fear its court systems at the same time.
If you want to make comparisons between yourself and other nutballs that's on you....do you really think that nationalists believe that their government is all powerful, or fear it's court system..though, lol? I'd be willing to wager that they think -other- people should fear their court system, themselves..not so much.
Personally, I don't have the sorts of leanings you're describing. It all sounds very unhealthy to me.
As meatball; I doubt that you payed a visit to countries like Egypt or Saudi Arabia.
People here are nationalists; they fear their courts to the degree of wetting their pants when an officer comes visiting, and the Guardian even wrote about this:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-devel...ch-al-sisi
Welcome to the show.
Actually; there is this topic I posted a while ago; that shows why lots of people are scared of their governments:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-51852.html
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