(October 15, 2017 at 12:35 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: No shortage of people with severe celiac that can't eat a communion wafer without reacting to the wheat gluten.

Wheat gluten, for our readers in Rio Linda, does not naturally occur in either human blood or human flesh.  So experiencing a celiac reation to a communion wafer should NEVER occur if it actually transubstantiates.

IIRC, the RCC has actually acknowledged the problem (GASP!) and has authorized a low gluten biscuit alternative.

*Cue Wooters spewing Thomist horseshit about the difference between accidental properties and substance as it concerns the Eucharist*

Bread is nice.

(October 15, 2017 at 3:22 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Bread is nice.

Especially when it turn into jesus in your mouth. 

I wonder if any have wished/prayed for specific parts? Say sphincter of Oddi?

According to this article, there was a supposed Eucharistic miracle in Argentina where the bread transformed into flesh, which was tested by an atheist who wasn't told where it had come from and he found traces of skin. A separate professor said it was human heart tissue (the Lanciano miracle was said to be human heart tissue). What do you make of that?

(December 19, 2017 at 5:24 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: According to this article, there was a supposed Eucharistic miracle in Argentina where the bread transformed into flesh, which was tested by an atheist who wasn't told where it had come from and he found traces of skin. A separate professor said it was human heart tissue (the Lanciano miracle was said to be human heart tissue). What do you make of that?

People say all sorts of shit and confirmation bias and all that. Nothing new. If this is for real, then lets see for ourselves at least. All we get are just reports and claims instead.

Also, we got no idea what this and that guy said exactly. For all we know, they might have been misrepresented or their quotes taken out of context.

Critical thinking skills is a must to have. Because the media surely isnt going to help with promoting those skills as can be seen in this case.

(December 19, 2017 at 5:24 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: According to this article, there was a supposed Eucharistic miracle in Argentina where the bread transformed into flesh, which was tested by an atheist who wasn't told where it had come from and he found traces of skin. A separate professor said it was human heart tissue (the Lanciano miracle was said to be human heart tissue). What do you make of that?

It's the Daily Heil a paper with such high journalistic standards it's no longer accepted as a source by wikipedia, a paper with such high moral standards it has yet to repudiate or apologise for its war time support for Hitler.

The chances of this "miracle" not being bullshit are exactly 0%.

(October 15, 2017 at 3:37 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(October 15, 2017 at 3:22 pm)JackRussell Wrote: Bread is nice.

Especially when it turn into jesus in your mouth. 

I wonder if any have wished/prayed for specific parts? Say sphincter of Oddi?

When you're a zombie someone always has to eat the asshole.

Late to the party...

(December 19, 2017 at 5:24 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: According to this article, there was a supposed Eucharistic miracle in Argentina where the bread transformed into flesh, which was tested by an atheist who wasn't told where it had come from and he found traces of skin. A separate professor said it was human heart tissue (the Lanciano miracle was said to be human heart tissue). What do you make of that?

Even assuming the source is credible, the flesh and blood sample could have been taken from a human corpse. You wouldn't believe the lengths people go to fool others. Take faith healers, for example. Most of the people who visit such charlatans would never believe how far they actually go to pull off their deception. But put James Randi on the case, and everyone gets to hear the "miracle worker's" wife feeding information into his earpiece.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

If the Catholic church (or any other church) had scientifically confirmed any single instance of claimed miracle, then there would be only one god and one religion.
However, the history of all witch-doctor type organizations is of con-artists and trickery.  Even old Roman temples had statues rigged so they would appear to move - 
in order to fool the sheeple.  Claims have been made.  But it's the 21st century.  Absolute, peer-reviewed science is now required for any claim.

And even the Catholics laugh about "relics".  Altars are supposed to contain a bone fragment from a saint, or a piece of the one true cross, etc.  Even priests
stand around and joke that if all of the pieces of the one true cross would collected, they could build a football stadium with all the lumber.

(December 19, 2017 at 5:24 am)KiwiNFLFan Wrote: According to this article, there was a supposed Eucharistic miracle in Argentina where the bread transformed into flesh, which was tested by an atheist who wasn't told where it had come from and he found traces of skin. A separate professor said it was human heart tissue (the Lanciano miracle was said to be human heart tissue). What do you make of that?

 I believe in miracles and salvation is the greatest one of all, it has to do with our spiritual life with God most the rest are about the physical and that is only temporary.

 Now lets go to the scriptures, we are told that drinking blood is forbidden to us and that to eat human flesh is forbidden to us. So with this established for Christians it would be a sin for us to do either and Christ would never tempt us let lone outright tell us to sin. This should put an end to those supposed miracles. The wine and bread was always a representation of the bodily sacrifice Christ made for mankind. It was this sacrifice that was required for our redemption and that is why salvation is a miracle, God gave up who He was so we could be forgiven and redeemed unto Him. Jesus life started as a miracle with the virgin birth and ended with the resurrection miracle. And in our belief of those miracles we receive the miracle of salvation. From the miracle of Christmas to the miracle of Easter we have been shown the love of God here on this planet.

GC