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Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
#81
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 21, 2017 at 12:29 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(December 21, 2017 at 1:04 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Cherry picker, that verses is speaking of spiritualist. mediums and soothsayers. You are a desperate one to try and pull that on the Christians here.

 GC
Oh, dear sweet simpleton, Don't go asking others to show you how inane your storybook is, it won't end well.
RAmen

 Please do your best, I'm not afraid of you and your biased opinions and misinterpretations of scripture, I just showed you how wrong you are and how weak your efforts are.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#82
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 21, 2017 at 12:29 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Oh, dear sweet simpleton, Don't go asking others to show you how inane your storybook is, it won't end well.
RAmen

 Please do your best, I'm not afraid of you and your biased opinions and misinterpretations of scripture, I just showed you how wrong you are and how weak your efforts are.

GC

Really where? My interpretations are divinely inspired same goes for my opinions.  It isn't my fault I chose the correct god, only your inability to let him into your heart.

RAmen
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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#83
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 22, 2017 at 1:24 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:
(December 22, 2017 at 12:30 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Please do your best, I'm not afraid of you and your biased opinions and misinterpretations of scripture, I just showed you how wrong you are and how weak your efforts are.

GC

Really where? My interpretations are divinely inspired same goes for my opinions.  It isn't my fault I chose the correct god, only your inability to let him into your heart.

RAmen

 You give yourself away in your statement, opinions can't be divinely inspired, opinions are guess work being divinely inspired means one has receive absolute truth. Nice try though, change to the God of creation and salvation and you will receive truths unknown to you that will blow your mind.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#84
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 22, 2017 at 2:41 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 22, 2017 at 1:24 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Really where? My interpretations are divinely inspired same goes for my opinions.  It isn't my fault I chose the correct god, only your inability to let him into your heart.

RAmen

 You give yourself away in your statement, opinions can't be divinely inspired, opinions are guess work being divinely inspired means one has receive absolute truth. Nice try though, change to the God of creation and salvation and you will receive truths unknown to you that will blow your mind.

GC

Oh yeah, mind blown indeed. What the fuck are you here for if all youre going to do is assert stuff thats clearly bullshit to atheists here? At least some of the theists here make arguments somewhat worth responding to. You? Youre just saying stuff mindlessly, thats all.
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#85
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 21, 2017 at 1:04 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 20, 2017 at 3:15 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: In Leviticus 19:31 (CEV) Yahweh says that people who claim that they can talk to the dead disgust him.  So how could anyone have spoken to the resurrected Yeshua when the dead do not rise?  By the Bible's own criteria the resurrection story that Paul concocted was pure BS since Yahweh would never, ever, resurrect anyone from the dead because he found that idea to be disgusting.

Leviticus 19:31 (CEV) ="Don’t make yourselves disgusting to me by going to people who claim they can talk to the dead."

 Cherry picker, that verses is speaking of spiritualist. mediums and soothsayers. You are a desperate one to try and pull that on the Christians here.

 GC

The verse plainly says that the apostles who claimed to have spoken to zombie Yeshua were full of crap.  Even the babbling BS'er Paul said that if the dead do not rise then your faith in his delusion is worthless.  How many zombies have you seen in your lifetime?  Have any of your dead relatives or friends popped in and had dinner with you lately?
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#86
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 22, 2017 at 4:40 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(December 21, 2017 at 1:04 am)Godscreated Wrote:  Cherry picker, that verses is speaking of spiritualist. mediums and soothsayers. You are a desperate one to try and pull that on the Christians here.

 GC

The verse plainly says that the apostles who claimed to have spoken to zombie Yeshua were full of crap.  Even the babbling BS'er Paul said that if the dead do not rise then your faith in his delusion is worthless.  How many zombies have you seen in your lifetime?  Have any of your dead relatives or friends popped in and had dinner with you lately?

 Again your lack of knowledge of what the scriptures teach is atrocious. Paul was speaking of the second coming of Christ and if you live long enough you will see this happen. First the dead in Christ will rise from the grave then the Christians that are living will be transformed having new bodies and all will meet Christ in the sky. If you see this and are not a part of it then you will know that you are in serious trouble.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#87
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 22, 2017 at 7:41 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 22, 2017 at 4:40 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The verse plainly says that the apostles who claimed to have spoken to zombie Yeshua were full of crap.  Even the babbling BS'er Paul said that if the dead do not rise then your faith in his delusion is worthless.  How many zombies have you seen in your lifetime?  Have any of your dead relatives or friends popped in and had dinner with you lately?

 Again your lack of knowledge of what the scriptures teach is atrocious. Paul was speaking of the second coming of Christ and if you live long enough you will see this happen. First the dead in Christ will rise from the grave then the Christians that are living will be transformed having new bodies and all will meet Christ in the sky. If you see this and are not a part of it then you will know that you are in serious trouble.

GC

Matthew 16:28  I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 9:1  And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power.
Luke 9:27  I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God
Matthew 24:34   Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
Luke 21:32  Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

And oh, the apologetics jump through such ridiculous hoops telling people that these statements don't mean what we think they mean.  They'll say that "generation" can mean "race" in Greek.  They'll say that it applies to the restoration of the covenant with Israel.  Some people say that it refers to the establishment of the church on Pentecost.  Twist yourself into any pretzel you want to make it say anything you want so you can avoid cognitive dissonance.

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The "Rapture" - term from Latin Vulgate rapiemur  Wycliffe translates as "rushed", Tyndale "caught up" - 
loosely from:
1 Thessalonians 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matthew 24:37-40 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

Rapture, as 2nd coming of Jesus with believers suddenly flying up to meet him "in the clouds" is a concept that started with the Puritans in the late 1600's.  I was raised with the "three gathering" fantasies of Edward Irving (published 1825).  Only American Evangelicals believe in the "rapture" - in the sense of flying up to meet Jesus or being removed from this life with "perfected bodies", yadda yadda yadda - other christian denominations do not. There are, of course, ongoing arguments about this fantasy: post-tribulation, pre-tribulation, postmillennialism, amillennialism, etc., etc.  They make about as much sense as kids arguing about the names and order of Santa's reindeer. 

And, of course, there have been hundreds of dates predicted, hundreds have passed with no Rapture, and no loonies disappear from the planet.
Ooh, but now President Moron has pandered to the loonies by trying to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel!  Too bad he got shot down.  Too bad it's none of his business.  All of the people who are praying for the "end times" and the god-murder of 7 billion of the people he created were really celebrating.  But the Orange Shitpile will still reap some benefits - the Muslim world is pissed off, so they'll do something and he'll use it to foment more hatred.

I still like this (unfortunately fake tale - when I first heard it I was sure that my Mother had jumped out of a car trying to fly with sex dolls):
An ultra-religious Arkansas woman named Georgeann passed on from this life when she leaped through the sunroof of her husband's fast-moving car because she thought she was witnessing the Rapture.  She saw Jesus standing by the highway with his arms lifted, and naked people were rising into the air, so she leaped up to join them.  However, Jesus was actually 32-year-old Ernie Jenkins, dressed in a sheet and on his way to a toga party, who had pulled off the highway and was standing outside his truck, trying to rein in his 12 helium-filled blow-up sex dolls that had come untied and were floating away.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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#88
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
Quote:Cherry picking.  Now THAT's funny.  

G-C takes hypocrisy to unimagined heights.
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#89
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 22, 2017 at 7:41 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 22, 2017 at 4:40 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The verse plainly says that the apostles who claimed to have spoken to zombie Yeshua were full of crap.  Even the babbling BS'er Paul said that if the dead do not rise then your faith in his delusion is worthless.  How many zombies have you seen in your lifetime?  Have any of your dead relatives or friends popped in and had dinner with you lately?

 Again your lack of knowledge of what the scriptures teach is atrocious. Paul was speaking of the second coming of Christ and if you live long enough you will see this happen. First the dead in Christ will rise from the grave then the Christians that are living will be transformed having new bodies and all will meet Christ in the sky. If you see this and are not a part of it then you will know that you are in serious trouble.

GC

So Revelation 1:7 (CEB) is BS.  = "Look, he is coming with the clouds! Every eye will see him, including those who pierced him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him. This is so. Amen."
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#90
RE: Miracles in Christianity - how to answer
(December 22, 2017 at 2:41 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(December 22, 2017 at 1:24 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Really where? My interpretations are divinely inspired same goes for my opinions.  It isn't my fault I chose the correct god, only your inability to let him into your heart.

RAmen

 You give yourself away in your statement, opinions can't be divinely inspired, opinions are guess work being divinely inspired means one has receive absolute truth. Nice try though, change to the God of creation and salvation and you will receive truths unknown to you that will blow your mind.

GC

The fact your thoughts and opinions are based on lies and meer human limitations seems like a GC problem.

Like I said, don't hate me because I had a divine visit and was given a gift while your stuck only getting electricity bills.

I already have the god of truth and continue to pray he brings you out of your dark cloud of anger and confusion.
RAmen
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming"  -The Prophet Boiardi-

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