(December 21, 2017 at 1:51 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Right, and this is the problem the feminist movement faces in a nutshell. There's a massive split on this one issue.

I agree with the New Age feminists on it, I'm fully in support of sex positivism. Sex workers should be legal and protected.

So I guess we're against the half of the 'feminist' movement who thinks they're pro-feminism but are unwittingly anti-feminism

(December 21, 2017 at 1:53 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 1:51 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Right, and this is the problem the feminist movement faces in a nutshell. There's a massive split on this one issue.

I agree with the New Age feminists on it, I'm fully in support of sex positivism. Sex workers should be legal and protected.

So I guess we're against the half of the 'feminist' movement who thinks they're pro-feminism but are unwittingly anti-feminism

Problem is they'd say the same about you (and me) 

(December 21, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(December 19, 2017 at 6:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And autism.

I've heard that most of the important information for churning out a functionally capable human is contained on the x chromosome.  Your lot has two of those so there is redundancy built into your system.  For men if the info in that one x is faulty we're screwed period.  On the other hand all those baby making and nurturing systems you carry are obviously cancer magnets and place extra demands on your systems.  At least you'll never know the joys trying to pee around a grapefruit sized prostate.(Kind of funny that those fundamentalist types could ever imagine our design was divine.)

That's certainly the case for fragile X, so it makes sense.

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(December 21, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 12:58 pm)Shell B Wrote: I think you sound way more coherent in your head than you actually are. No one's trying to get you to call them a racist. You're paranoid. I'm pointing out that using race and labeling anyone who disagrees as "Alt-Right" or "MRA" are traits of the so-called "fringe." Try to focus on the actual debate instead of your weird personal vendetta and my irrelevant relationship to Tibs. You get so hung up on that, not even realizing that we don't actually hold the same position on this topic. I don't care what my "dear old hubby" says or does to you. That's his debate, not mine.

But YOU'RE the one who brought it up, yet again, Shell. 
I've made it clear that I don't think this conversation has anything to do with race, but you insist on circling back to it for some unknown reason. I just guessed at to what that reason is.

If I'm wrong, then tell me....Why do you keep coming back to it?

And I don't label ANYONE who disagrees me as Alt Right or MRA. I specifically labeled you your husband as a sympathizer, because he parrots their talking points

What talking points of MRA did he parrot?

That prostate cancer also sucks, and should also get funding?
That men get more prison time for the same crime, and it should be equal?
That men get screwed in child custody courts and should get more time with their kids?
That women have it harder in society but men also have certain disadvantages that shouldn't be ignored?


I can't imagine why you'd disagree with any of that.

(December 21, 2017 at 1:38 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

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But YOU'RE the one who brought it up, yet again, Shell. 
I've made it clear that I don't think this conversation has anything to do with race, but you insist on circling back to it for some unknown reason. I just guessed at to what that reason is.

If I'm wrong, then tell me....Why do you keep coming back to it?

And I don't label ANYONE who disagrees me as Alt Right or MRA. I specifically labeled you your husband as a sympathizer, because he parrots their talking points.

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I circled back to it because you asked me why I thought you were like a "fringe" feminist. You asked a question. I answered it.

Nope....Don't even try it. I asked you to SHOW ME, in this thread, where I made any reference whatsoever to hating men and/or deeming their concerns, legal or otherwise as being unworthy of discussion.

And you could not deliver.

Quote:If you could see how ridiculous calling tibs Alt Right is, you'd be embarrassed.

Again....I called him a sympathizer. Go on ahead and Google the definition if you must.
Because most certainly is, in regards to their notably lopsided views of feminism.

Is speaking out against injustice making oneself a victim?

Holy crap this thread has really turned to shit.

I wasn't trying to argue FOR mra's, just saying the documentary showed me they make some valid points that I hadn't before considered. No one here is arguing for mra's.

(December 21, 2017 at 2:25 pm)Thena323 Wrote: Again....I called him a sympathizer. Go on ahead and Google the definition if you must.
Because most certainly is, in regards to their notably lopsided views of feminism.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/defini...ympathizer

"A person who agrees with or supports a sentiment, opinion, or ideology."

The alt-right is an ideology. I don't support the ideology of the alt-right, therefore I cannot be an alt-right sympathizer.

It's you who needs to read the definition. Supporting one facet of an ideology doesn't make one a sympathizer of the entire ideology. Otherwise my point about you being a Trump sympathizer stands. I bet you agree with Trump's position on at least one thing, because most people have at least some belief in common.

If you want to call me an MRA sympathizer, go ahead. But I'm also a feminist sympathizer.

(December 21, 2017 at 2:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Holy crap this thread has really turned to shit.

Welcome to the Internet, lol.

(December 21, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

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But YOU'RE the one who brought it up, yet again, Shell. 
I've made it clear that I don't think this conversation has anything to do with race, but you insist on circling back to it for some unknown reason. I just guessed at to what that reason is.

If I'm wrong, then tell me....Why do you keep coming back to it?

And I don't label ANYONE who disagrees me as Alt Right or MRA. I specifically labeled you your husband as a sympathizer, because he parrots their talking points

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What talking points of MRA did he parrot?

That prostate cancer also sucks, and should also get funding?
That men get more prison time for the same crime, and it should be equal?
That men get screwed in child custody courts and should get more time with their kids?
That women have it harder in society but men also have certain disadvantages that shouldn't be ignored?


I can't imagine why you'd disagree with any of that.

And I can't imagine why you'd imply that I disagree with any of the above issues, seeing as though I don't....Unless of course, you haven't bothered to read your own goddamned thread in it's entirety.

Why don't you run along and do that before you start flapping your gums again?

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I think if people actually watched the doc rather than acting like a brick wall simply because it's coming from a group of people called "MRA's," we would all agree that some real valid points are raised.

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(December 21, 2017 at 2:42 pm)Thena323 Wrote:

(December 21, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What talking points of MRA did he parrot?

That prostate cancer also sucks, and should also get funding?
That men get more prison time for the same crime, and it should be equal?
That men get screwed in child custody courts and should get more time with their kids?
That women have it harder in society but men also have certain disadvantages that shouldn't be ignored?


I can't imagine why you'd disagree with any of that.

And I can't imagine why you'd imply that I disagree with any of the above issues, seeing as though I don't....Unless of course, you haven't bothered to read your own goddamned thread in it's entirety.

Why don't you run along and do that before you start flapping your gums again?

Um, you said "i specifically labeled your husband [tibs] as a sympathizer, because he parrots their talking points."

So, I'm asking you. WHAT "talking points" exactly did he "parrot" that you disagree with? The list I made above is pretty much the crux of what his opinions on the issue are, as far as I can tell.