(January 9, 2018 at 10:06 am)wallym Wrote: Let me say, it is an absolute treat to watch a new group of people have to deal with Wololo's 'thinking'.  Keep it up fellas, and you'll be nazis in no time!

Wally, I call you a nzai because it is the political philosophy to what you espouse*, not because I disagree with you. I disagree with what Brian says lots of times (I don't always respond) yet I've never called him a nazi.

I'd call your post a nice ad hom except for it was so easily disproven.

*Other groups I consider nazi are the Saudi royal family, the hardliners in Iran, the KKK and bannonites in the US and Likud.

(January 9, 2018 at 10:35 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 9:55 am)Mermaid Wrote: Jesus Christ. No.

Can't we have someone in the WH who is qualified?

President Winfrey was a big joke in the movie Idiocracy. I am not laughing anymore. We are a nation of drooling morons.

YES, and again, what makes you think she would not be qualified? Bill Gates has never held office, would you vote for him? 

AGAIN, Oprah STARTED OUT WITH NOTHING, was not handed anything. She isn't a spoiled brat, she was not handed her wealth like 45 was. She can read legal contracts and she can write her own speeches and she is a voracious reader. I am quite sure she has a very high IQ. 

I am sure she would fill her cabinet with smart people, on par with Michelle Obama and Warren. 

AT THIS POINT getting the GOP and 45 out of power is my goal. SCOTUS is my goal. If it takes her to do that, then that is far better than leaving 45 or the GOP in power.

AND AGAIN,

DEMS for 36 years have lost focus, we gave up on local and state elections when Reagan successfully busted the air traffic control unions. 

IT WILL NOT MATTER one fucking bit long term even if we put Bernie or Warren or Hillary in the White House, if we don't work long term on local and state elections and expand our map.

Can't we bring up some candidate with law credentials and political savvy instead of a TV celebrity? "Better than Trump" is not what I want for my country. Oprah is not the answer. 
I am sure she's a good person. But the President!?

(January 9, 2018 at 10:47 am)Mermaid Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: YES, and again, what makes you think she would not be qualified? Bill Gates has never held office, would you vote for him? 

AGAIN, Oprah STARTED OUT WITH NOTHING, was not handed anything. She isn't a spoiled brat, she was not handed her wealth like 45 was. She can read legal contracts and she can write her own speeches and she is a voracious reader. I am quite sure she has a very high IQ. 

I am sure she would fill her cabinet with smart people, on par with Michelle Obama and Warren. 

AT THIS POINT getting the GOP and 45 out of power is my goal. SCOTUS is my goal. If it takes her to do that, then that is far better than leaving 45 or the GOP in power.

AND AGAIN,

DEMS for 36 years have lost focus, we gave up on local and state elections when Reagan successfully busted the air traffic control unions. 

IT WILL NOT MATTER one fucking bit long term even if we put Bernie or Warren or Hillary in the White House, if we don't work long term on local and state elections and expand our map.

Can't we bring up some candidate with law credentials and political savvy instead of a TV celebrity? "Better than Trump" is not what I want for my country. Oprah is not the answer. 
I am sure she's a good person. But the President!?

Don't you want a brand new car for free?

(January 9, 2018 at 10:49 am)Grandizer Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:47 am)Mermaid Wrote: Can't we bring up some candidate with law credentials and political savvy instead of a TV celebrity? "Better than Trump" is not what I want for my country. Oprah is not the answer. 
I am sure she's a good person. But the President!?

Don't you want a brand new car for free?

What about a pony? I think we should support Vermin Supreme. It's his time.

(January 9, 2018 at 10:37 am)Wololo Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:06 am)wallym Wrote: Let me say, it is an absolute treat to watch a new group of people have to deal with Wololo's 'thinking'.  Keep it up fellas, and you'll be nazis in no time!

Wally, I call you a nzai because it is the political philosophy to what you espouse*, not because I disagree with you.  I disagree with what Brian says lots of times (I don't always respond) yet I've never called him a nazi.

I'd call your post a nice ad hom except for it was so easily disproven.

*Other groups I consider nazi are the Saudi royal family, the hardliners in Iran, the KKK and bannonites in the US and Likud.

Hey, hey, hey, enough of that!  You're supposed to be directing you're batshit thinking at Grandizer and Brian!

(January 9, 2018 at 10:47 am)Mermaid Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: YES, and again, what makes you think she would not be qualified? Bill Gates has never held office, would you vote for him? 

AGAIN, Oprah STARTED OUT WITH NOTHING, was not handed anything. She isn't a spoiled brat, she was not handed her wealth like 45 was. She can read legal contracts and she can write her own speeches and she is a voracious reader. I am quite sure she has a very high IQ. 

I am sure she would fill her cabinet with smart people, on par with Michelle Obama and Warren. 

AT THIS POINT getting the GOP and 45 out of power is my goal. SCOTUS is my goal. If it takes her to do that, then that is far better than leaving 45 or the GOP in power.

AND AGAIN,

DEMS for 36 years have lost focus, we gave up on local and state elections when Reagan successfully busted the air traffic control unions. 

IT WILL NOT MATTER one fucking bit long term even if we put Bernie or Warren or Hillary in the White House, if we don't work long term on local and state elections and expand our map.

Can't we bring up some candidate with law credentials and political savvy instead of a TV celebrity? "Better than Trump" is not what I want for my country. Oprah is not the answer. 
I am sure she's a good person. But the President!?

Ok, let the GOP keep the power. 

This is the "all or nothing" nonsense that BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps had which cost us the election.


I DO think Oprah is qualified, and I don't give one fuck about her celebrity. She doesn't use small words, she can write her own speeches, she started out a no name, she built an empire FROM NOTHING.  

It is bullshit to compare Oprah to 45 or the Kardashians. 45 was handed his wealth. Kim is the daughter of a billionaire lawyer. SHE was handed her wealth. OPRAH was not handed shit, and she is not stupid.

Pick your battles. But either way, this bullshit "all or nothing crap" is not going to help us win.

The Obamas would back her, not because she is famous. The Obamas would ALSO back Hillary or Bernie or Warren. Now, unless you are willing to call the Obamas stupid or mere "celebrities" too, stop making this about her fame. OPRAH started out a local journalist back in the 70s when it was far more difficult for a woman, much less a black woman, to movie up. 

If you want to attack a billionaire celebrity, Rupert Murrdoc started Fox News and that network has caused a shitload of damage to society. Oprah BACKED Obama in both his bids and I don't think she likes Fucks News anymore than you or I do.

(January 9, 2018 at 11:14 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:47 am)Mermaid Wrote: Can't we bring up some candidate with law credentials and political savvy instead of a TV celebrity? "Better than Trump" is not what I want for my country. Oprah is not the answer. 
I am sure she's a good person. But the President!?

Ok, let the GOP keep the power. 

This is the "all or nothing" nonsense that BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps had which cost us the election.


I DO think Oprah is qualified, and I don't give one fuck about her celebrity. She doesn't use small words, she can write her own speeches, she started out a no name, she built an empire FROM NOTHING.  

It is bullshit to compare Oprah to 45 or the Kardashians. 45 was handed his wealth. Kim is the daughter of a billionaire lawyer. SHE was handed her wealth. OPRAH was not handed shit, and she is not stupid.

Pick your battles. But either way, this bullshit "all or nothing crap" is not going to help us win.

The Obamas would back her, not because she is famous. The Obamas would ALSO back Hillary or Bernie or Warren. Now, unless you are willing to call the Obamas stupid or mere "celebrities" too, stop making this about her fame. OPRAH started out a local journalist back in the 70s when it was far more difficult for a woman, much less a black woman, to movie up. 

If you want to attack a billionaire celebrity, Rupert Murrdoc started Fox News and that network has caused a shitload of damage to society. Oprah BACKED Obama in both his bids and I don't think she likes Fucks News anymore than you or I do.

I do not believe I am espousing an "all or nothing" attitude. She is admirable and I am sure she's a good person. But I don't want her as my president. I feel there are far better candidates with law backgrounds who would be far more qualified. I think wealth and business acumen are not the necessary qualifications for president. I am not attacking anyone or comparing anyone to the Kardashians.

(January 9, 2018 at 10:49 am)Grandizer Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:47 am)Mermaid Wrote: Can't we bring up some candidate with law credentials and political savvy instead of a TV celebrity? "Better than Trump" is not what I want for my country. Oprah is not the answer. 
I am sure she's a good person. But the President!?

Don't you want a brand new car for free?

UGGGGGGG................

THE winner of a presidential election is a representative of the winning PARTY, they are not a dictator whom solely makes policy. 

I say "Oprah" but I am also talking about Bernie, or Hillary or Warren, or even Cobert if he chose to run. I DON'T CARE.

The president, would STILL need a congress to work with, and would also be there to make SCOTUS PICS which affect court cases long after 4 or 8 years.

Oprah would still be working with the rest of the party on the issues we want, such as universal health care, expanding medicaid and medicare and social security. THAT would not be an "Oprah" issue, but a HOUSE AND SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE TOGETHER.

WE ARE NOT as progressives or liberals going to undo all the damage the GOP is causing if we get stuck on infighting.

(January 9, 2018 at 11:28 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:49 am)Grandizer Wrote: Don't you want a brand new car for free?

UGGGGGGG................

THE winner of a presidential election is a representative of the winning PARTY, they are not a dictator whom solely makes policy. 

I say "Oprah" but I am also talking about Bernie, or Hillary or Warren, or even Cobert if he chose to run. I DON'T CARE.

The president, would STILL need a congress to work with, and would also be there to make SCOTUS PICS which affect court cases long after 4 or 8 years.

Oprah would still be working with the rest of the party on the issues we want, such as universal health care, expanding medicaid and medicare and social security. THAT would not be an "Oprah" issue, but a HOUSE AND SENATE AND WHITE HOUSE TOGETHER.

WE ARE NOT as progressives or liberals going to undo all the damage the GOP is causing if we get stuck on infighting.

Calm down, man. We don't want you to have a heart attack. It was a joke and was for Mermaid, nothing to do with you.

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(January 9, 2018 at 10:53 am)wallym Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 10:37 am)Wololo Wrote: Wally, I call you a nzai because it is the political philosophy to what you espouse*, not because I disagree with you.  I disagree with what Brian says lots of times (I don't always respond) yet I've never called him a nazi.

I'd call your post a nice ad hom except for it was so easily disproven.

*Other groups I consider nazi are the Saudi royal family, the hardliners in Iran, the KKK and bannonites in the US and Likud.

Hey, hey, hey, enough of that!  You're supposed to be directing you're batshit thinking at Grandizer and Brian!

Can Wololo fight with just Brian? I'm tired.

(January 9, 2018 at 11:17 am)Mermaid Wrote:

(January 9, 2018 at 11:14 am)Brian37 Wrote: Ok, let the GOP keep the power. 

This is the "all or nothing" nonsense that BOTH Bernie and Hillary camps had which cost us the election.


I DO think Oprah is qualified, and I don't give one fuck about her celebrity. She doesn't use small words, she can write her own speeches, she started out a no name, she built an empire FROM NOTHING.  

It is bullshit to compare Oprah to 45 or the Kardashians. 45 was handed his wealth. Kim is the daughter of a billionaire lawyer. SHE was handed her wealth. OPRAH was not handed shit, and she is not stupid.

Pick your battles. But either way, this bullshit "all or nothing crap" is not going to help us win.

The Obamas would back her, not because she is famous. The Obamas would ALSO back Hillary or Bernie or Warren. Now, unless you are willing to call the Obamas stupid or mere "celebrities" too, stop making this about her fame. OPRAH started out a local journalist back in the 70s when it was far more difficult for a woman, much less a black woman, to movie up. 

If you want to attack a billionaire celebrity, Rupert Murrdoc started Fox News and that network has caused a shitload of damage to society. Oprah BACKED Obama in both his bids and I don't think she likes Fucks News anymore than you or I do.

I do not believe I am espousing an "all or nothing" attitude. She is admirable and I am sure she's a good person. But I don't want her as my president. I feel there are far better candidates with law backgrounds who would be far more qualified. I think wealth and business acumen are not the necessary qualifications for president. I am not attacking anyone or comparing anyone to the Kardashians.

DAMN people are jumping the gun here. EVEN I said she would NOT be my first choice.

THIS IS AN "IF IF IF IF" thread.

Are you going to sit out IF IF IF IF she were to get the nomination? It has not happened and I am NOT even predicting she will even run.

We had far too many Hillary and Bernie supporters sit out in 2016, and my entire point here is WE CANNOT AFFORD THAT AGAIN.

And again, "IF IF IF IF IF" the Obamas were to back her, nobody can call the Obamas dumb, and Oprah backed Barrack BOTH TIMES.

Oprah IS NOT my first choice, 

1. Michelle Obama, <----SHE WOULD BE MY FIRST CHOICE...... But that will not happen.
2. Warren <---- My real first choice, but even then, not sure what VP she could get to make an unbeatable ticket.
3. Biden <----- Same issue as Warren.

BUT I am also sure that IF IF I F IF, and she has not made any official announcement in any case. BUT IF IF IF IF my first choices above did not get nominated, I do not think Oprah would be a horrible president REGARDLESS. 

Knowing she started out with nothing, rose out of obscurity ON HER OWN, and knowing she is a huge advocate for women's rights and minority rights, I think far to many are not giving her enough credit. I think she'd do fine.