I opened a book recently. I did it by repeatedly inserting my penis into my wife's vajyjay, repeatedly, with her consent.

Somehow, nine months later, that boinking created something awesome, the light of any poet's eyes.

I never had to read any verses to do that.

(January 14, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 4:33 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: God knows how to draw everyone though, and not lose the interest of even the most profound knower, and so his book, has endless knowledge.

But if we are irrational, we may think there are irrational things in Quran. Can you acknowledge that much?

That if we are irrational, rational things might seem irrational to us?

HA HA HA HA

Ok, so an "all powerful" God, knows what it takes to get humans on the same page? Yet he does not want to, or cant do that considering all the divisions. 

Nope sorry, I would not hire such an inept deadbeat slacker to run a bicycle factory. The bikes would end up with squid for spokes and the factory workers would murder each other over the competing assembly manuals

Has it occurred to you the problem might not be the teachers but the listeners? That it might not be the Lord not guiding humanity but humanity hating his form of guidance?

Envying the family of the reminder and turning away from their guidance after testifying the Messenger is true, how God can guide them? He doesn't force people nor changes what is themselves till they change themselves. 

He believes in humans shaping their own destiny both individually and collectively, but also is helping us through means of revelations, holy scriptures, and appointing guides as a means to understand the recitation and connect the verses as they ought to be connected.

(January 14, 2018 at 4:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 4:37 pm)chimp3 Wrote: "The Quran is not meant to be approached like any book."

I agree. It deserves a special level of mockery. As does the Christian? Jewish Bible.  Ridiculous!

Do you think perhaps Quran showing why people mock it and the Messengers, is perhaps, the reason people mock it?

Do you think the disease of mockery from the dark ones and their minions, and forces, perhaps is the reason.

Do you at least think it might be possible that a spiritual world we are all connected to and tried by with respect to good and evil and is magical in all definitions of magic, is at least possible.

Or are you certain all such thing must be mocked? That a dark laughter cannot be but a disease from the dark enemies of humans, to keep people away from the guidance and the guide, and what the guidance is leading to and connected to?

Nothing so grandiose! Your book and religion is ridiculous. Come on! A man goes into a cave and Gabriel dictates a special message. What is the difference between Islam and Mormonism?
Charlatans and gullible sheep!

(January 14, 2018 at 4:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 4:11 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: The problem is in using sources other than the Quran.
Sufism is not different than all Islamic sects using other sources.

Using the Quran alone as a source of extracting sentences results in a very different mentality, and a very different "Islam" than what we see today from Sunna, Shia and other sects like Sufies.

I support my choice with the historical atrocities practiced by Sunni and Shiite Muslims; even Suffies. If you follow what these sects are built upon; you will find that they are not following the Quran: you're following a mutant mixture of Quran and Hadith. Any logical idea will clash with the bounds of this mixture; and any ridiculous  thought can find a warm room to grow in with the support of Hadith and sects' books.

I will accept that between the two of you you are the "good cop" Muslim, and while MK is not a member of ISIS his bent is more "bad cop".

BUT,  both of you are at the same time NOT getting it.

You are BOTH arguing the writings of antiquity just like Baptists and Catholics whom are both Christian. 

I am the outsider looking at both of you saying, "THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS NOW".

Good cop bad cop are on the same side.
We aren't.
Read about the Twelver Shiite sect.

We are not on the same side.

I been calling people to read Quran Atlas, you misunderstand. It says in Quran it doesn't increase the unjust but in perdition. Do you not know that verse?

I am not saying not to read it. But if people come to it to limit what they perceive of it and inforce their ignorant interpretation which is not proven by clear proofs and signs and light in their hearts or if they conclude that what they did not perceive in it must not be there by their hasty non-reflecting way of reciting, than they didn't act according to it's paradigm.

And if they don't know and don't ask the family of the guidance and reminder of the time for knowledge and wisdom, they don't act according to it's paradigm.

And if they claim authority or follow authority not given by God, they are blind to it's most emphasized central thesis and still think they understood the book, that is the worse disease.

The family of Mohammad are with Quran and Quran is with them, you can't prove you truly believe in Quran even with all your praise of it neither can I. We have to act according to people's words, so I have to acknowledge you as Muslim and you as me Muslim, but at the end, no one can prove they aren't deceivers, let alone believers, let alone that they ought to be followed with respect to the interpretation.

We are to teach people what we know, but with all that, we must be humble to one another, and learn from another, and not deny when things become clear out of envy like the son of Adam when he killed the other son of Adam, nor because we are treated as trangressors by a creed do we turn away from it's clear arguments.

The Quran says "O people of the book do you just hate us because we believe in what has been revealed...and (believe that) most of you are transgressors".

Yes I believe the worst people are those who recite Quran and it doesn't go past their throats, so they don't see the family of Mohammad in Quran. It hurts me a lot, but I believe that. It pains me, but I believe that.

If you don't see the family of the reminder in Quran, how can you see their names? Their names are of it's themes, but it takes time.

I don't how allergic you are to the love demanded by 42:23, but the family of Mohammad/Ali/Fatima are the means and way to God now, just as it was once upon time the family of Abraham/Jacob and just as once upon time the family of Moses/Aaron/David/Imran.

(January 14, 2018 at 4:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: HA HA HA HA

Ok, so an "all powerful" God, knows what it takes to get humans on the same page? Yet he does not want to, or cant do that considering all the divisions. 

Nope sorry, I would not hire such an inept deadbeat slacker to run a bicycle factory. The bikes would end up with squid for spokes and the factory workers would murder each other over the competing assembly manuals

Has it occurred to you the problem might not be the teachers but the listeners? That it might not be the Lord not guiding humanity but humanity hating his form of guidance?

Envying the family of the reminder and turning away from their guidance after testifying the Messenger is true, how God can guide them? He doesn't force people nor changes what is themselves till they change themselves. 

He believes in humans shaping their own destiny both individually and collectively, but also is helping us through means of revelations, holy scriptures, and appointing guides as a means to understand the recitation and connect the verses as they ought to be connected.

Has it ever occurred to you that Jesus is the one true God?

Has it ever occurred to you that Yahweh is the one true God?

Has it ever occurred to you that Brhama the Hindu creator God is the one true God?

Has it ever occurred to you that the Washington Redskins have won every American NFL Superbowl since 1970?

Has it ever occurred to you that I REALLY AM dating Angelina Jolie, the famous and sexy American actress?

Has it ever occurred to you that Santa is real?

Try this,

Pray in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up faster.

(January 14, 2018 at 4:49 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 4:42 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Do you think perhaps Quran showing why people mock it and the Messengers, is perhaps, the reason people mock it?

Do you think the disease of mockery from the dark ones and their minions, and forces, perhaps is the reason.

Do you at least think it might be possible that a spiritual world we are all connected to and tried by with respect to good and evil and is magical in all definitions of magic, is at least possible.

Or are you certain all such thing must be mocked? That a dark laughter cannot be but a disease from the dark enemies of humans, to keep people away from the guidance and the guide, and what the guidance is leading to and connected to?

Nothing so grandiose! Your book and religion is ridiculous. Come on! A man goes into a cave and Gabriel dictates a special message. What is the difference between Islam and Mormonism?
Charlatans and gullible sheep!

A big difference.

(January 14, 2018 at 4:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 4:49 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Nothing so grandiose! Your book and religion is ridiculous. Come on! A man goes into a cave and Gabriel dictates a special message. What is the difference between Islam and Mormonism?
Charlatans and gullible sheep!

A big difference.

Not in my eyes. Both are a cheap, sleazy recount of the already cheap and sleazy old/new testaments. Nothing new. Same old bull shit!

(January 14, 2018 at 5:00 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(January 14, 2018 at 4:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: A big difference.

Not in my eyes. Both are a cheap, sleazy recount of the already cheap and sleazy old/new testaments. Nothing new. Same old bull shit!

Your eyes might be clouded.

(January 14, 2018 at 4:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I been calling people to read Quran Atlas, you misunderstand. It says in Quran it doesn't increase the unjust but in perdition. Do you not know that verse?

No I don't know it.
Please quote it.