MK, just be careful around sharp and hot things, will you? Don't worry too much about the undetectable being(s) who might make me suffer after I'm dead. It is really just silly stuff. Let it go.

The thing that keeps me giggling about gods, is that we're constantly told to search for them in magic books.  May as well tell me to search for gold in my crockpot.

(January 26, 2018 at 6:39 pm)Whateverist Wrote: So I guess you don't have any reasonable motivation for me to look for any of that, do you?

You believe in love, which believes in valuing things as they should be valued (appreciation) and being generous as well and giving things their proper due (justice).

What love ought to love the most and value the most, you should find that, because if some human loves animals but tortures humans, then his love for animals is of no avail.

You ought to find what should be in the top of your valuing priority and form a list of priorities and act according to what truly is most important to least important.

What is to be valued the most by you maybe exactly the same as what is to be valued the most by every human and not only human but others.

Like a lost lover who forgotten who they love the most, you should try to find out who the love which is the essence of all good actions, truly wants desires and values the most.

If it turns to be your wife or yourself or there is a bunch of things to be valued relatively the same, then there are mutlitiple gods. At least you would have discovered what you value the most and what you should value the most.

I believe the one who gives all forms of love their form and is the power they borrow from in doing good, is what is to be valued the most and is the goal.

If love is not a good enough reason to know what ought to be valued most, I don't know what it is!

"You believe in love, don't you?  Well then..you must believe in pixies!"

If you can spot why this is wrong, you should be able to understand why your "argument" is wrong. No one -has- to believe in love. We can experience it. But you're trying to tell us about gods..not love, remember?

Got plenty of love going right now, thanks anyway. I also have faith in unjustifiable things, just not in absurd things.

(January 26, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: "You believe in love, don't you?  Well then..you must believe in pixies!"

If you can spot why this is wrong, you should be able to understand why your "argument" is wrong.

His question is why he should search the answer if there is a god.

It wasn't to prove a god, but it was to show why he should search.

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(January 26, 2018 at 6:47 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Got plenty of love going right now, thanks anyway.  I also have faith in unjustifiable things, just not in absurd things.

If love is not good enough reason to search what ought to be loved and valued most, then nothing is a good motivator.

-and it fails as an argument for why anyone should search for gods as well.  You're not telling us to search for love, you want us to search for gods, remember?

(January 26, 2018 at 6:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -and it fails as an argument for why anyone should search for gods as well.  You're not telling us to search for love, you want us to search for gods, remember?

Love is what values, Gods means what out to be valued the highest in things we value, the God, or God, as in one, asserts that highest thing to be valued and loved is one being to the extent nothing is to be valued as much as that being.

Still failing, and still for the same reason.  If you want to tell me about love...fine...but you'll never be an authority on what I should love.

If you want to talk about gods..then stop rambling about love and do that.

That is one reason why I think Atheism is a dishonest approach to the word god especially how traditionally spoken about by humans.

You don't believe in a supernatural god true, but you do believe in gods then.

Humans are destined to be either monotheistic or polytheistic, they can't function without valuing anything, even it's just valuing pleasure and pain, something is valued.