(January 27, 2018 at 2:10 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 7:42 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Now I know that Islamic scholars have said that there are ways around the fasting if you live in one of those places.

And what they say doesn't matter at the end.
This is my last post before 2 years so I won't follow up on it.
When you want to prove a statement, you should 
1) Think about the opposite of that statement, and look for evidence for it.
2) Think about the negation of that statement, and look for evidences for it.
3) And then think with those two in mind, why your statement is correct.
If you can't prove by contradiction, it probably means it's very subjective your evidence to the statement.
The opposite would be:
1) An all knowing God would definitely make fasting for wise reasons despite people in some regions have mostly the sun or no night while not explaining what to do in those regions explicitly.
The negation would be:
2) An all knowing God would have no problem with making fasting despite people in some regions have mostly the sun or no nights while not explaining what to do in those regions explicitly.
I can find a lot of evidence for both 1 and 2 in Quran and the paradigm I work with. Explicitly, Quran has not even explained the form of Salah in detail, but implicitly it has. So if you want to argue it should explain everything explicitly, you might as well say "If Quran is true, it would explicitly explain the details of Salah."
And once you begin to see how Quran has implicitly explained everything in the religion with the help of it's designated chosen leaders and family, you will be well on your journey holding on to God's rope.
And yes scholars can say what they want, and it doesn't become a solution in the religion simply because they made their own solution.
Rituals are meant with a meaning with a paradigm. And most Muslims their rituals are meaningless and it only furthers them from God.
Fasting is mentioned in one Surah only where two Prophets are mentioned only once through out Quran as well and never mentioned again, one with a name, and the other not.  Think about where it's placed and what has to do with the message particular in this Surah that is found in other Surahs but specifically one is in this Surah detail.
I could spell it all out for you, but it would lead to Atlas coming up and getting upset, and you might think I am making it all up, so it's up to you see and understand.
Start to reflect not for the sake of only finding faults but finding solutions.

I just cant bring myself to read your posts anymore. 
They are just so boring.

Please come back when you get more sane and succinct.

(January 27, 2018 at 2:11 pm)SaStrike Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 1:51 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: An all knowing all powerful God. It's actually two errors, one being the poles thing and the other being that the calender moves and isn't fixed. So sometimes Ramadan is in the summer and sometimes not. Give me a break. An all knowing God would never make such a human mistake.

The calender is fixed, it follows the lunar calender, not solar.

Yeah, but a lunar calender is stupid, it's not fixed. I mean it's not fixed to the seasons or daylight changes.

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(January 27, 2018 at 2:50 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 2:10 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: And what they say doesn't matter at the end.
This is my last post before 2 years so I won't follow up on it.
When you want to prove a statement, you should 
1) Think about the opposite of that statement, and look for evidence for it.
2) Think about the negation of that statement, and look for evidences for it.
3) And then think with those two in mind, why your statement is correct.
If you can't prove by contradiction, it probably means it's very subjective your evidence to the statement.
The opposite would be:
1) An all knowing God would definitely make fasting for wise reasons despite people in some regions have mostly the sun or no night while not explaining what to do in those regions explicitly.
The negation would be:
2) An all knowing God would have no problem with making fasting despite people in some regions have mostly the sun or no nights while not explaining what to do in those regions explicitly.
I can find a lot of evidence for both 1 and 2 in Quran and the paradigm I work with. Explicitly, Quran has not even explained the form of Salah in detail, but implicitly it has. So if you want to argue it should explain everything explicitly, you might as well say "If Quran is true, it would explicitly explain the details of Salah."
And once you begin to see how Quran has implicitly explained everything in the religion with the help of it's designated chosen leaders and family, you will be well on your journey holding on to God's rope.
And yes scholars can say what they want, and it doesn't become a solution in the religion simply because they made their own solution.
Rituals are meant with a meaning with a paradigm. And most Muslims their rituals are meaningless and it only furthers them from God.
Fasting is mentioned in one Surah only where two Prophets are mentioned only once through out Quran as well and never mentioned again, one with a name, and the other not.  Think about where it's placed and what has to do with the message particular in this Surah that is found in other Surahs but specifically one is in this Surah detail.
I could spell it all out for you, but it would lead to Atlas coming up and getting upset, and you might think I am making it all up, so it's up to you see and understand.
Start to reflect not for the sake of only finding faults but finding solutions.

I just cant bring myself to read your posts anymore. 
They are just so boring.

Please come back when you get more sane and succinct.

I like mysticknight. I agree that he's not that clear always, but so what? Lots of people on here contribute less and make me think less, and are more boring. I hope he stays.

I also think English isn't his first language? So I give him a break. Id take 10 mysticknights over one atlas. Hes boring for real. I pretty much know exactly his opinion everytime.

No. In case somebody couldn't handle fasting, let it be for sickness or long time, they should pay charity to the poor instead of fasting.
The Quran said it explicitly:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
( 183 )   O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous -
( 184 )   [Fasting for] a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey [during them] - then an equal number of days [are to be made up]. And upon those who are able [to fast, but with hardship] - a ransom [as substitute] of feeding a poor person [each day]. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.

(January 27, 2018 at 8:55 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: No. In case somebody couldn't handle fasting, let it be for sickness or long time, they should pay charity to the poor instead of fasting.
The Quran said it explicitly:

Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
( 183 )   O you who have believed, decreed upon you is fasting as it was decreed upon those before you that you may become righteous -
( 184 )   [Fasting for] a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or on a journey [during them] - then an equal number of days [are to be made up]. And upon those who are able [to fast, but with hardship] - a ransom [as substitute] of feeding a poor person [each day]. And whoever volunteers excess - it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.

Lol, that says NOTHING about the daylight difference. It's not acknowledged at all in the Qur'an because when Muhammad had no idea about it. An almighty God would know, and at the least make his calender set in the spring or fall. Instead of a lunar one, where the season Ramadan is in changes. People who live in Sweden aren't ill or on a journey. Whoever made up this pillar of Islam obviously had no idea about the daylight difference.

(January 27, 2018 at 9:00 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 8:55 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: No. In case somebody couldn't handle fasting, let it be for sickness or long time, they should pay charity to the poor instead of fasting.
The Quran said it explicitly:

Lol, that says NOTHING about the daylight difference. It's not acknowledged at all in the Qur'an because when Muhammad had no idea about it. An almighty God would know, and at the least make his calender set in the spring or fall. Instead of a lunar one, where the season Ramadan is in changes.  People who live in Sweden aren't ill or on a journey. Whoever made up this pillar of Islam obviously had no idea about the daylight difference.

How?

I think fasting for 20 hours or so is the exact example of "hardship".
And the verse even said "So whoever among you is ill or on a journey".

And a small cultural lesson; ancient Arabs traveled all year long, and literally lived most of their days on the road.

But it has it's own song!

(January 27, 2018 at 9:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: But it has it's own song!

The saxophone solo is amazing.
You have a taste in music; I give you that. Even if you called Arabic letter "ض" lightly as a mere "D".

(January 27, 2018 at 9:12 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 9:00 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Lol, that says NOTHING about the daylight difference. It's not acknowledged at all in the Qur'an because when Muhammad had no idea about it. An almighty God would know, and at the least make his calender set in the spring or fall. Instead of a lunar one, where the season Ramadan is in changes.  People who live in Sweden aren't ill or on a journey. Whoever made up this pillar of Islam obviously had no idea about the daylight difference.

How?

I think fasting for 20 hours or so is the exact example of "hardship".
And the verse even said "So whoever among you is ill or on a journey".

And a small cultural lesson; ancient Arabs traveled all year long, and literally lived most of their days on the road.

Nomadic lives, sure. Having a woman not eat or hydrate for some cockamamie reason like religion, causing harm to the child developing in her womb is inexcusable, anywhere on the planet. Or the universe, for that matter. How about your religion takes a fetus into account as "being on a journey", and allows women the "latitude" to properly nourish her baby. Do you have any understanding as to how this looks to the rest of the world, if your women have to go through this? Do you just accept the occasional damaged children as the status quo? FFS. Might as well go put them out for the wolves, if they are defective. SMH

Ramenda, however, is an amazing holiday

(January 27, 2018 at 8:28 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(January 27, 2018 at 2:11 pm)SaStrike Wrote: The calender is fixed, it follows the lunar calender, not solar.

Yeah, but a lunar calender is stupid, it's not fixed. I mean it's not fixed to the seasons or daylight changes.

He (Muhammad) chose the lunar calender because he claimed the solar calender was based on infidels worshipping the sun. So if muslims fasted according to the solar calender they would be sun worshippers which is very wrong (according to them). There's also the fact that muslims can't pray when the sun is at its highest point in the day.

Guess moon worship is ok though lol.