(February 2, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Except, ofc, that Page had already been under surveillance for years.  This is now public record...go google it for yourself.

Did just that and NOPE.  I find nothing that indicates Page under surveillance for years.  If you have a link post it please.  Everything I am reading indicates he came under 'surveillance' after joining Trump election team - possibly AFTER leaving the Campaign effort.

Everything I'm reading and hearing indicates that this is political spin. Big on innuendo, small on details and facts.

(February 2, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Except, ofc, that Page had already been under surveillance for years.  This is now public record...go google it for yourself.

You know what's funny..is that the memo you're fapping over doesn't actually say that the dossier was what started the russia investigation.  After all of your other villains turned out to be duds..now it's Christopher Steele?

Yeah, gl with that.

The Steele dossier that was paid for by the DNC and validated by a Yahoo news story which was planted by Richard Steele was the basis for obtaining a FISA warrant. 

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(February 2, 2018 at 4:17 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Everything I'm reading and hearing indicates that this is political spin. Big on innuendo, small on details and facts.

At least that's what democrats are saying.

(February 2, 2018 at 4:03 pm)Jane2d Wrote:

(February 2, 2018 at 3:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Except, ofc, that Page had already been under surveillance for years.  This is now public record...go google it for yourself.

Did just that and NOPE.  I find nothing that indicates Page under surveillance for years.  If you have a link post it please.  Everything I am reading indicates he came under 'surveillance' after joining Trump election team - possibly AFTER leaving the Campaign effort.

Quote:Former Trump adviser Carter Page under FISA warrant since 2014: Report

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former...le/2630576

Notice the date, august of last year, and this had already become public. So..try again...if you're not finding it, it;s because you're not looking. I just got a full page of old and current news, there is no dispute whatsoever on this point of fact. The russians, for their part, appear to have thought of him as a useful idiot the entire time. I guess they were right. That's just what we know. Page had, ofc, began his work in russia..in the 90's......and got swept up by other surveillance of other possible (and actual) foreign agents.

The fisa warrant was a re-authorization of surveillance that began at least 1 year before trump announced his candidacy, and two years before page become a part of the team. He only resigned when it became public, in sept of 2016, and at that time the full extent of fbi surveillance wasn't known..because unlike today..the government wasn't in the habit of putting foreign agents on notice. By july of 2016, however, the fbi had directly warned the campaign that foreign agents would try or already had joined his team. Who do you think they were talking about?

The release of this highly politicized memo is damning..but only to the trumpsters..because it's a story of the fbi functioning properly and being ignored, and now...obstructed..and villified.

(February 2, 2018 at 4:17 pm)A Theist Wrote:

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(February 2, 2018 at 4:17 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Everything I'm reading and hearing indicates that this is political spin. Big on innuendo, small on details and facts.

At least that's what democrats are saying.

Nope, that's what everyone but the republicans are saying.

Except for this republican.

The memo itself - try reading yourself instead of relying on Breitbart for a change - specifically notes in Paragraph 5) that the FBI's Russia investigation began as a result of George Papadopoulos running his fucking mouth.

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/2...-SD001.pdf


I guess your right-wing pals missed that.  Probably too busy jerking off.

The real irony here, is that trump is an idiot who probably obstructed justice not to cover up his own personal collusion in any election rigging or acting as a foreign agent..that's just who he found himself surrounded with.  He obstructed justice because he knew that, in the course of an investigation, hios being up to his eyeballs in russian money laundering would invariably come out in the wash, along with the fact that he's committed repeated fraud and massively inflated his actual wealth (though I'm sure he's much richer today than he was before he became potus..because he's always been a grifty piece of shit who doesn't pay his bills). 

He's been telegraphing it the entire time, and may as well have told the fbi where to look for the bodies. In the process of doing -that-...he became a foreign asset. President Good Brain, who picks the very best people, and makes the sweetest deals. Believe me.

Quote:At least that's what democrats are saying.

That's what even Trump's own cronies are saying  and anyone who does not have their head up their ass 


Assume standard Trump defence position .

Regarding 2014, an article which cites a CNN article, which cites...no one, isn't compelling evidence.

(February 2, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The memo itself - try reading yourself instead of relying on Breitbart for a change - specifically notes in Paragraph 5) that the FBI's Russia investigation began as a result of George Papadopoulos running his fucking mouth.

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/2...-SD001.pdf


I guess your right-wing pals missed that.  Probably too busy jerking off.

They should apply generously to avoid chafing