Pftt. Reality TV: hardly realistic.

(February 27, 2018 at 3:11 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 10:22 am)Cod Wrote: It's not about being PC.. It's about standing up against bigotry.

Well my stance has nothing to do with bigotry and I resent the accusation.  It's a concern as an athlete.  I'm against this for the same reason I'm against steroids. It's a frustrating conversation to have because people are quick with bigot accusation and know nothing about sports.

I haven't accused you of bigotry because I don't see any evidence of that on your part. The OP, however, is a different story.

Well cap you and your ilk can it hard not  to draw that conclusion 

(February 27, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Pftt.  Reality TV: hardly realistic.

The point is mainly the tweets, which I've added more to. A number of people calling it transphobic if someone says they wouldn't date a trans person, when the person I was responding to said they'd never heard that from a liberal before and that people were just pulling that out of their asses.

(February 27, 2018 at 4:42 pm)pool the matey Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 3:11 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Well my stance has nothing to do with bigotry and I resent the accusation. It's a concern as an athlete. I'm against this for the same reason I'm against steroids. It's a frustrating conversation to have because people are quick with bigot accusation and know nothing about sports.

So cap you're the sports expert yeah? Explain to me why discrimination against trans women is ok? Before you say there's an unfair advantage or whatever they actually have certain standards like the level of testosterone or whatever. You know black men have the highest amount of testosterone, right? How is that not an unfair advantage in really any sport. While we're at it let's ban Micheal Phelps from competing again because he has a very particular long torso short legs ratio kind of body that makes it easier to swim. So really where does this "unfair advantage" thing stops? If it is just limited to transsexuals that's kind of bigotry bro. In sports there will always be people that are more gifted than others and guess what trans women doesn't necessarily mean a big hunk with chest for dayz and biceps that go Choo chooooo. In fact, the whole "it's an unfair advantage" comes from that stereotype. So really, the federation of women can't exclude trans women lol and if they insist I'm sure a law will be passed in the future where women don't have to publicize their trans status.

Black people out a bunch of artificial hormones into their bodies that made them black. Neither did Michael Phelps. Any other super obvious questions that you should know on you own?

I mean, one by one all these records are falling to trans women. It not a natural advantage like the one Michael Phelps has, because you need hormones to become trans. Someone born a man, who went through make puberty spent years training with dozens of times the testosterone level of the people they are competing with. If that person wasn't trans, they would be banned from competition is all major sports. This is making an exception for trans people, not an even playing field.

That I have to explain this at all, shows that you don't know that much about it. It's always the same arguments and when they fail, scream bigot, even though I haven't said anything bigoted.

Also yes, I am a sports expert. They exist and I am one of them. I'm a full time athlete who does multiple sports and has a deep knowledge about them. Even my job involves athletics. I was the person who asked for a sports and fitness section in this forum. I know more about some sports then I know about what I have a degree in. It's why I care about this subject so much. Normally I'm all for trans rights. I don't care what bathroom someone goes to, I don't care how anyone wants to live their life, but having trans women compete with cis gendered women is not a rational position. The science that is sometimes used to justify this cherrypicks hormones and ignores so much.

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(February 27, 2018 at 7:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Well cap you and your ilk can it hard not  to draw that conclusion 

It would be easy if you paid attention to my argument.

In the case of male to female, transsexual sportspeople are being weakened artificially in order for the competition to be fair with other women. Not boosted. Just to be clear ... in case this wasn't before.

Hey it's not bigoted if you're addressing transpeople and sports simultaneously! That's the rule!

(February 27, 2018 at 7:31 pm)Hammy Wrote: Hey it's not bigoted if you're addressing transpeople and sports simultaneously! That's the rule!

Well clearly yes. Just like it's bigoted if we address gays and marriage simultaneously! 

(February 27, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(February 27, 2018 at 7:31 pm)Hammy Wrote: Hey it's not bigoted if you're addressing transpeople and sports simultaneously! That's the rule!

Well clearly yes. Just like it's bigoted if we address gays and marriage simultaneously! 

Yes. If we address gays and marriage simultaneously then it means we're being racist towards the homophobic race of gay bashers.

(February 27, 2018 at 7:27 pm)Grandizer Wrote: In the case of male to female, transsexual sportspeople are being weakened artificially in order for the competition to be fair with other women. Not boosted. Just to be clear ... in case this wasn't before.

No shit, and then they compete against someone who had to go through puberty without male levels of testosterone. The difference there is huge. For example, the person this thread was about played in a Belgium c level pro league, and then transitions and immediately sets records as a pro in Brazil, which has one of the strongest pro volleyball leagues. To deny that artificial advantage is insane.

It's just not in touch with reality. I understand the desire to protect people's feelings and sense of self worth, but for atheists to not see the evidence right in front of them, just because they are afraid of being called a bigot or want to make sure everyone knows how tolerant they are is mind boggling.

How did this person go from barely a pro to setting records so quickly? Gee...what could it possibly be.