https://goo.gl/images/NvNnrA

Looks like a woman to me.

(February 28, 2018 at 4:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I love how no one can actually put forth a good argument to refute my actual points.

The IOC disagrees with you, and they have some of the strictest requirements out there (You can't even drink too much coffee).  I know that's an appeal to authority, but I don't see why I should take your word over the IOC's.

Quote:I love how no one can actually put forth a good argument to refute my actual points.

I love the fact  you actually think you have presented an argument that needs to be refuted.

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(February 28, 2018 at 5:19 pm)Divinity Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 4:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I love how no one can actually put forth a good argument to refute my actual points.

The IOC disagrees with you, and they have some of the strictest requirements out there (You can't even drink too much coffee).  I know that's an appeal to authority, but I don't see why I should take your word over the IOC's.

But Their clearly" illogical "and infected by evil "political correctness " illuminate.

(February 28, 2018 at 5:19 pm)Divinity Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 4:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I love how no one can actually put forth a good argument to refute my actual points.

The IOC disagrees with you, and they have some of the strictest requirements out there (You can't even drink too much coffee).  I know that's an appeal to authority, but I don't see why I should take your word over the IOC's.

But Divinity, CL is very experienced in sports and has analyzed a whole lot more about this subject than any member of the IOC gang. We can't even address her anecdotes and personal feelings even with the good logical arguments that we have put forward. She's that good.

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(February 28, 2018 at 4:35 pm)pool the matey Wrote: Lol CL you only hear about trans women dominating women's sports because the news itself want more hits and views so they sensationalize it to make it sound as if there's a threat. You don't really see all the trans women failing because it doesn't sell. Fear sells - the target audience is obvious as well but whatever. It's like you watch a people are awesome video and think oh it's so easy but it is in fact not easy at all because you missed out on the thousands and thousands of times people fail to do something and probably die as well. The mind sees what it wants to see.

Yep, confirmation bias. The human psychology ... how interesting it is ...

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(February 28, 2018 at 2:49 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(February 28, 2018 at 12:48 pm)Grandizer Wrote: That depends. Are we lowering his (or rather, her) testosterone levels to an acceptable level in this scenario? That makes a difference. Not saying that Rousey would win for sure, but let's keep this hypothetical in tune with what's happening in reality.

Let's keep his levels as is and say he just identifies as a woman.

Why?

As a competitive athlete (track and field) myself, this is one place where people definitely need to be slotted by their biological sex. I think track is a good sport for comparison, because the men's and woman's performances can be measured totally quantitatively and are very distinct. Look at the results of any track meet and you'll see that the men's and women's performances are clearly separate categories, and even a slow male athlete would easily win the women's division.

I've always loved the extremely close competition in track (like, a good race can easily come down to a 100th of a second... I've even won a race by 1/1000th of a second), and while I train with guys and run against them in practice, there would be no competition if sexes were combined. The margins are so tight that women would be unable to qualify for any tournaments. Let alone in the runs, but in the throwing events? The simple reason is that women biologically have less muscle than men, even with the same amount of training.

If I were competing in a track meet and there were a trans woman in my section, I and every other competitor and coach would be extremely pissed off. It would completely ruin the race. It's has nothing to do with being trans-phobic, it's just a matter of biology.

(February 28, 2018 at 8:32 pm)shadow Wrote: As a competitive athlete (track and field) myself, this is one place where people definitely need to be slotted by their biological sex. I think track is a good sport for comparison, because the men's and woman's performances can be measured totally quantitatively and are very distinct. Look at the results of any track meet and you'll see that the men's and women's performances are clearly separate categories, and even a slow male athlete would easily win the women's division.

We're not talking about women vs. cisgendered men here. Transwomen cease having the advantages that cisgendered men do when their hormone levels have been adjusted to match cisgendered women, and they might even suffer some disadvantages as a result, such as considerably lowered speed.

(February 28, 2018 at 12:19 am)wallym Wrote: I think a big shortcoming in these discussions is just progressives tending to be shit at sports, so when any sports related discussions come up, they're just saying a lot of nonsense.

Comment of the thread right here hahahaha

I'm shit at sports but I'm a nerd so I don't care.

Quote:I think a big shortcoming in these discussions is just progressives tending to be shit at sports, so when any sports related discussions come up, they're just saying a lot of nonsense.

Or more likely it's the fact that anto progressives are just shit

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Quote:Comment of the thread right here hahahaha

If you mean in terms of being wrong, foolish, and absurd i would agree .

(February 28, 2018 at 12:19 am)wallym Wrote: I think a big shortcoming in these discussions is just progressives tending to be shit at sports, so when any sports related discussions come up, they're just saying a lot of nonsense.

The cool thing about being a runner in high school/college is that in track and cross country the guys and girls team are one and train together and go to the races together (though the men's race and women's race are run seperately). But being in a team with them instead of doing everything seperately allowed me to see and appreciate how much more naturally athletic amd strong men are. It's pretty sexy actually.