(March 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 11:31 am)chimp3 Wrote: I saw "The Passion of Christ" by Mel Gibson and saw that as a twisted celebration that a sick mind felt needed to be relived over and over again. I grew up in an old Catholic Church that had the stations of the cross posted on the walls and little old ladies touching the images adoringly. The yearly live performances of the Crucifixion story in churches (on Sunday, not "Good" Friday) certainly qualify as a celebration.

We value and remember the fact that He made the ultimate sacrifice and act of love, which is to lay down your life for another. Just as we do for war heros who die in battle, or otherwise people who get killed while rescuing another.  But come on. That doesn't mean we "celebrate" the fact that He was tortured and murdered. What the Romans did to Him was an evil, horrible, sad thing, and is portrayed as such in the Passion of the Christ as well as in the Stations of the Cross. If you take the fact that we remember/value His willingness to die for us as "celebrating" His tortured killing, you are misunderstanding. Believe it or not, we aren't sadistic monsters.

The Romans are only the scapegoats and so was Judas. The plan all along was to have him tortured and murdered. Prophecies from the Old testament. Your own words "His willingness to die for us". The speech in the garden of Gesthemane.  Jesus was not a victim of the Romans, he volunteered. The sick narrative that the Jews killed him led to millions of Jewish deaths. There is so much sickness in this myth.

CL, you might not be sadistic , but this is a sadistic story. Call it what you want.

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(March 10, 2018 at 12:46 pm)Fireball Wrote: True story- my youngest brother at about age 8 managed to get a whole package of Peeps (5? 6?) in his mouth all at one time.

Excellent Boy!

(March 10, 2018 at 2:09 pm)chimp3 Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We value and remember the fact that He made the ultimate sacrifice and act of love, which is to lay down your life for another. Just as we do for war heros who die in battle, or otherwise people who get killed while rescuing another.  But come on. That doesn't mean we "celebrate" the fact that He was tortured and murdered. What the Romans did to Him was an evil, horrible, sad thing, and is portrayed as such in the Passion of the Christ as well as in the Stations of the Cross. If you take the fact that we remember/value His willingness to die for us as "celebrating" His tortured killing, you are misunderstanding. Believe it or not, we aren't sadistic monsters.

The Romans are only the scapegoats and so was Judas. The plan all along was to have him tortured and murdered. Prophecies from the Old testament. Your own words "His willingness to die for us". The speech in the garden of Gesthemane.  Jesus was not a victim of the Romans, he volunteered. The sick narrative that the Jews killed him led to millions of Jewish deaths. There is so much sickness in this myth.

CL, you might not be sadistic , but this is a sadistic story. Call it what you want.

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(March 10, 2018 at 12:46 pm)Fireball Wrote: True story- my youngest brother at about age 8 managed to get a whole package of Peeps (5? 6?) in his mouth all at one time.

Excellent Boy!

He didnt stop it from happening, as He could have, since He is God. That doesn't mean the people who did it weren't acting on free will and thus fully responsible for the evil deed. (It also doesn't mean that it's ok to kill other people after the fact who had nothing to do with it just because they are of the same religion as some of the people who did. This goes without saying.)

I don't see it as a story of sadism at all, and neither is that the intended Christian message of the story. The story is of self giving love, and dying for the sake of saving other people. You personally may take it as sadism, but that isn't the intended message being protrayed whatsoever.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't think we are sadistic. Thats good. I'm also glad I was able to clear up the misconception you had that Easter is the celebration of His death. Hopefully other things have been cleared up too.

(March 10, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 2:09 pm)chimp3 Wrote: The Romans are only the scapegoats and so was Judas. The plan all along was to have him tortured and murdered. Prophecies from the Old testament. Your own words "His willingness to die for us". The speech in the garden of Gesthemane.  Jesus was not a victim of the Romans, he volunteered. The sick narrative that the Jews killed him led to millions of Jewish deaths. There is so much sickness in this myth.

CL, you might not be sadistic , but this is a sadistic story. Call it what you want.

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Excellent Boy!

He didnt stop it from happening, as He could have, since He is God. That doesn't mean the people who did it weren't acting on free will and thus fully responsible for the evil deed. (It also doesn't mean that it's ok to kill other people after the fact who had nothing to do with it just because they are of the same religion as some of the people who did. This goes without saying.)

I don't see it as a story of sadism at all, and neither is that the intended Christian message of the story. The story is of self giving love, and dying for the sake of saving other people. You personally may take it as sadism, but that isn't the intended message being protrayed whatsoever.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't think we are sadistic. Thats good. I'm also glad I was able to clear up the misconception you had that Easter is the celebration of His death. Hopefully other things have been cleared up too.

I am saying that I don't think you are sadistic. I bet there are other Christians that get some sadistic or masochistic pleasure out of reliving this bloody event every year. Mel Gibson for one. Jim Caviezel too.

The other idea that I hate about the Bloody Easter tale is that I had something to do with it. My "sins" are why this man was tortured to death. Fuck that, I was not born. This is the ultimate guilt trip and Christians should be ashamed for annually spreading this tripe.

It is no small coincidence that Easter falls on April Fools day this year.

(March 10, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He didnt stop it from happening, as He could have, since He is God. That doesn't mean the people who did it weren't acting on free will and thus fully responsible for the evil deed. (It also doesn't mean that it's ok to kill other people after the fact who had nothing to do with it just because they are of the same religion as some of the people who did. This goes without saying.)

I don't see it as a story of sadism at all, and neither is that the intended Christian message of the story. The story is of self giving love, and dying for the sake of saving other people. You personally may take it as sadism, but that isn't the intended message being protrayed whatsoever.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't think we are sadistic. Thats good. I'm also glad I was able to clear up the misconception you had that Easter is the celebration of His death. Hopefully other things have been cleared up too.

Without modern culture and the contributions of non-Christian, speaking about "free will" and the "criminalizing" of murder would not even be present.

In other words; the Christian faith is a gore pack that served as moral code for the new generation of Romans, mainly the branch that prospered and lived in modern day Turkey; ancient day Constantinople.

The Christian version of "Jihad"; famously known with term "Crusade"; was all about exporting that gore pack to outside countries and communities, causing the infamous crusader campaigns.

You have to believe in a gory faith, and mix up that belief with harsh environmental factors -like the European cold or the Arabian heat- to produce the final solution: "a mad person ready to eat children and exterminate a whole continent off its people".

It's just a matter of thinking what they world would've looked like, if the illumination wave didn't shut down paganism through the favoring of atheistic thoughts and beliefs.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...-symbolism

Quote:All the fun things about Easter are pagan. Bunnies are a leftover from the pagan festival of Eostre, a great northern goddess whose symbol was a rabbit or hare. Exchange of eggs is an ancient custom, celebrated by many cultures. Hot cross buns are very ancient too. In the Old Testament we see the Israelites baking sweet buns for an idol, and religious leaders trying to put a stop to it. The early church clergy also tried to put a stop to sacred cakes being baked at Easter. In the end, in the face of defiant cake-baking pagan women, they gave up and blessed the cake instead.

Easter is quite a pagan ritual. I remember being lectured about that specific topic in the forum a year ago. But all I know, what Easter is a pagan celebration, taken by Christians who obviously couldn't lose the habit of celebrating the thing; then stamped with the "Jesus" stamp over it to make it a Christian property. Poor heathens lost a whole festival from their culture.

Which points me in thinking about the roots of the "Trinity", roots of "Jesus's resurrection"..
I think the real ancient loyal followers of Jesus peace be upon him; got all chewed by lions in the Arena.
The ones who were left were the traitors who snitched  their brethren to the Romans.
And those traitors are the writers of today's bible.

So if the Easter is proved to be a pagan ritual, how many of Christian laws are in fact; pagan laws?

(March 10, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 2:09 pm)chimp3 Wrote: The Romans are only the scapegoats and so was Judas. The plan all along was to have him tortured and murdered. Prophecies from the Old testament. Your own words "His willingness to die for us". The speech in the garden of Gesthemane.  Jesus was not a victim of the Romans, he volunteered. The sick narrative that the Jews killed him led to millions of Jewish deaths. There is so much sickness in this myth.

CL, you might not be sadistic , but this is a sadistic story. Call it what you want.

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Excellent Boy!

He didnt stop it from happening, as He could have, since He is God. That doesn't mean the people who did it weren't acting on free will and thus fully responsible for the evil deed. (It also doesn't mean that it's ok to kill other people after the fact who had nothing to do with it just because they are of the same religion as some of the people who did. This goes without saying.)

I don't see it as a story of sadism at all, and neither is that the intended Christian message of the story. The story is of self giving love, and dying for the sake of saving other people. You personally may take it as sadism, but that isn't the intended message being protrayed whatsoever.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't think we are sadistic. Thats good. I'm also glad I was able to clear up the misconception you had that Easter is the celebration of His death. Hopefully other things have been cleared up too.

Of course as the mythology goes one wouldn't stop it. Why stop a good con? 

If the audience truly believes you really sawed the woman in half, despite the reality if you really did that they'd die. Yea, very easy to prey on human gullibility and emotions.

Jesus never did shit for me or anybody else. He was an arrogant schmuck whose arrogance got him killed by the Romans.

I've never had a Peeps.

Grew up in a household that preferred the Hershey foil wrapped eggs.

Boy, and you sure wanted to get all the foil off those damn things!

I think I've had some Cadbury Eggs, but they're kinda gross appearance wise if you think about it.


We dyed hard boiled eggs (so they wouldn't be a mess if they broke) and we got yelled at for not finding them quickly in the Easter Egg hunt for fear we'd get sick when we ate them later.

(I buy the already peeled ones these days, LOL !)

(March 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We value and remember the fact that He made the ultimate sacrifice and act of love, which is to lay down your life for another.

Did he really make a sacrifice though?  I mean if he were god... then he'd just be returning to heaven.  How is it a sacrifice.  That's something I'll never understand.  It wasn't even voluntary!  He didn't CHOOSE to be crucified.  The Romans chose for him.

What about it makes it a sacrifice?

(March 10, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We value and remember the fact that He made the ultimate sacrifice and act of love, which is to lay down your life for another.

Did he really make a sacrifice though?  I mean if he were god... then he'd just be returning to heaven.  How is it a sacrifice.  That's something I'll never understand.  It wasn't even voluntary!  He didn't CHOOSE to be crucified.  The Romans chose for him.

What about it makes it a sacrifice?

And microseconds of dead time per Saved Soul.  Would even a deity be individually aware of every Soul redeemed if they accrue that rapidly during his 3 day dirt nap ?  (or 30 hour, maybe?)

And even Matthew's 72 hour account scarcely helps this difficulty . . .

(March 10, 2018 at 3:01 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 2:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: He didnt stop it from happening, as He could have, since He is God. That doesn't mean the people who did it weren't acting on free will and thus fully responsible for the evil deed. (It also doesn't mean that it's ok to kill other people after the fact who had nothing to do with it just because they are of the same religion as some of the people who did. This goes without saying.)

I don't see it as a story of sadism at all, and neither is that the intended Christian message of the story. The story is of self giving love, and dying for the sake of saving other people. You personally may take it as sadism, but that isn't the intended message being protrayed whatsoever.

Anyway, I'm glad you don't think we are sadistic. Thats good. I'm also glad I was able to clear up the misconception you had that Easter is the celebration of His death. Hopefully other things have been cleared up too.

Without modern culture and the contributions of non-Christian, speaking about "free will" and the "criminalizing" of murder would not even be present.

In other words; the Christian faith is a gore pack that served as moral code for the new generation of Romans, mainly the branch that prospered and lived in modern day Turkey; ancient day Constantinople.

The Christian version of "Jihad"; famously known with term "Crusade"; was all about exporting that gore pack to outside countries and communities, causing the infamous crusader campaigns.

You have to believe in a gory faith, and mix up that belief with harsh environmental factors -like the European cold or the Arabian heat- to produce the final solution: "a mad person ready to eat children and exterminate a whole continent off its people".

It's just a matter of thinking what they world would've looked like, if the illumination wave didn't shut down paganism through the favoring of atheistic thoughts and beliefs.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...-symbolism

Quote:All the fun things about Easter are pagan. Bunnies are a leftover from the pagan festival of Eostre, a great northern goddess whose symbol was a rabbit or hare. Exchange of eggs is an ancient custom, celebrated by many cultures. Hot cross buns are very ancient too. In the Old Testament we see the Israelites baking sweet buns for an idol, and religious leaders trying to put a stop to it. The early church clergy also tried to put a stop to sacred cakes being baked at Easter. In the end, in the face of defiant cake-baking pagan women, they gave up and blessed the cake instead.

Easter is quite a pagan ritual. I remember being lectured about that specific topic in the forum a year ago. But all I know, what Easter is a pagan celebration, taken by Christians who obviously couldn't lose the habit of celebrating the thing; then stamped with the "Jesus" stamp over it to make it a Christian property. Poor heathens lost a whole festival from their culture.

Which points me in thinking about the roots of the "Trinity", roots of "Jesus's resurrection"..
I think the real ancient loyal followers of Jesus peace be upon him; got all chewed by lions in the Arena.
The ones who were left were the traitors who snitched  their brethren to the Romans.
And those traitors are the writers of today's bible.

So if the Easter is proved to be a pagan ritual, how many of Christian laws are in fact; pagan laws?

Oh, it's not just Easter they stole from the pagans, but if not every single "christian" holy day, then damned near. Even the day they worship is stolen from pagan beliefs (in order to make converting the poor unwashed pagans easier), though they'll argue a couple buy-bull verses that allegedly trump the commandment to keep the seventh day holy. Hell, most of their holy book is taken from earlier traditions. Why should it surprise anyone that they usurped holy days as well?

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(March 10, 2018 at 4:05 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I've never had a Peeps.

Godzilla is disappoint!

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(March 10, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 10, 2018 at 12:59 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We value and remember the fact that He made the ultimate sacrifice and act of love, which is to lay down your life for another.

Did he really make a sacrifice though?  I mean if he were god... then he'd just be returning to heaven.  How is it a sacrifice.  That's something I'll never understand.  It wasn't even voluntary!  He didn't CHOOSE to be crucified.  The Romans chose for him.

What about it makes it a sacrifice?

(emphasis is mine)

The warm fuzzies they get when they think of his bad weekend as some sort of ultimate sacrifice.