People who worship glass paedophile prophets shouldn't throw stones.

The Bible is an absolutely vile book, you'll get no argument here. But I'm wondering if you've ever read the Quran. By my estimation, it's even worse. I don't know how anyone can defend either.

(March 20, 2018 at 4:56 am)robvalue Wrote: People who worship glass paedophile prophets shouldn't throw stones.

The Bible is an absolutely vile book, you'll get no argument here. But I'm wondering if you've ever read the Quran. By my estimation, it's even worse. I don't know how anyone can defend either.

I knew it !

Okay, why don't you prove it with a verse from the Quran; rob? I want something very direct and explicit; like the biblical texts above.
All you have is Hadith; I'm sorry but I'm a fighter of Hadith, and been saying why for years, proving so also for year after year.

I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

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Now; lots of atheists and Christians will give you kudos..
I can see it xD

(March 20, 2018 at 4:59 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(March 20, 2018 at 4:56 am)robvalue Wrote: People who worship glass paedophile prophets shouldn't throw stones.

The Bible is an absolutely vile book, you'll get no argument here. But I'm wondering if you've ever read the Quran. By my estimation, it's even worse. I don't know how anyone can defend either.

I knew it !

Okay, why don't you prove it with a verse from the Quran; rob? I want something very direct and explicit; like the biblical texts above.
All you have is Hadith; I'm sorry but I'm a fighter of Hadith, and been saying why for years, proving so also for year after year.

I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

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Now; lots of atheists and Christians will give you kudos..
I can see it xD

Dude, your Koran was written in the same ignorant age as the bible. FYI worldwide back then, even in Asia, even in the Greeks, Romans and Ancient Egyptians, BACK THEN the mortality rate was far higher and humanity, WORLDWIDE, for the most part married off girls at a far earlier age than modern society. Girls BACK THEN were not seen as equals but property to be used a way of bartering with other families. 

Just like the Joseph of the Bible, Mo would have married a young girl or girls, between the ages of 9 and 14. But again, child brides have existed worldwide in ancient history.

(March 20, 2018 at 5:16 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 20, 2018 at 4:59 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I knew it !

Okay, why don't you prove it with a verse from the Quran; rob? I want something very direct and explicit; like the biblical texts above.
All you have is Hadith; I'm sorry but I'm a fighter of Hadith, and been saying why for years, proving so also for year after year.

I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

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Now; lots of atheists and Christians will give you kudos..
I can see it xD

Dude, your Koran was written in the same ignorant age as the bible. FYI worldwide back then, even in Asia, even in the Greeks, Romans and Ancient Egyptians, BACK THEN the mortality rate was far higher and humanity, WORLDWIDE, for the most part married off girls at a far earlier age than modern society. Girls BACK THEN were not seen as equals but property to be used a way of bartering with other families. 

Just like the Joseph of the Bible, Mo would have married a young girl or girls, between the ages of 9 and 14. But again, child brides have existed worldwide in ancient history.

I need explicit verses from the Quran to prove that.
Where are they?

(March 20, 2018 at 5:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(March 20, 2018 at 5:16 am)Brian37 Wrote: Dude, your Koran was written in the same ignorant age as the bible. FYI worldwide back then, even in Asia, even in the Greeks, Romans and Ancient Egyptians, BACK THEN the mortality rate was far higher and humanity, WORLDWIDE, for the most part married off girls at a far earlier age than modern society. Girls BACK THEN were not seen as equals but property to be used a way of bartering with other families. 

Just like the Joseph of the Bible, Mo would have married a young girl or girls, between the ages of 9 and 14. But again, child brides have existed worldwide in ancient history.

I need explicit verses from the Quran to prove that.
Where are they?

Dude you are pulling a bait and switch. Everyone in the world back then treated kids, especially females as chattel.  Instead of just focusing on your part of the world, try studying world history.  If there was not ambiguous language in holy books, there would be no argument. I say that to Christians too. The age of consent in the Americas even today can be as low as 14 depending on country. Still plenty of Muslim  men, just like Warren Jeffs, our right wing sicko here, who DO use their holy books to justify child brides.

You make the same bad argument Christians do. If your deity didn't want this then there should be no way to ignore his words or twist his words. Allah or Jesus, if they don't want kid fucking, then why not make it clear? If this god is all powerful, and nothing  happens that they don't want happening why would this all powerful god fail to make it clear?

The truth is there is no Christian God and their is no Muslim or Jewish or Hindu ect ect ect God. THAT WAS THEN this is now. The idea of bartering children was RAMPANT in all of antiquity. You not liking how others of your same religion does not change the fact they also are using the same book. BUT AGAIN, that was then, and not just your religion, ALL of antiquity.

How hard would it be for an "all powerful god" to make it clear, "No sex until the age of 18". Now you show me those exact words in the Koran or bible for that matter. You wont find them.

All of the Abrahamic religions are filled with bad ideas.

(March 20, 2018 at 6:02 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 20, 2018 at 5:29 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I need explicit verses from the Quran to prove that.
Where are they?

Dude you are pulling a bait and switch. Everyone in the world back then treated kids, especially females as chattel.  Instead of just focusing on your part of the world, try studying world history.  If there was not ambiguous language in holy books, there would be no argument. I say that to Christians too. The age of consent in the Americas even today can be as low as 14 depending on country. Still plenty of Muslim  men, just like Warren Jeffs, our right wing sicko here, who DO use their holy books to justify child brides.

You make the same bad argument Christians do. If your deity didn't want this then there should be no way to ignore his words or twist his words. Allah or Jesus, if they don't want kid fucking, then why not make it clear? If this god is all powerful, and nothing  happens that they don't want happening why would this all powerful god fail to make it clear?

The truth is there is no Christian God and their is no Muslim or Jewish or Hindu ect ect ect God. THAT WAS THEN this is now. The idea of bartering children was RAMPANT in all of antiquity. You not liking how others of your same religion does not change the fact they also are using the same book. BUT AGAIN, that was then, and not just your religion, ALL of antiquity.

How hard would it be for an "all powerful god" to make it clear, "No sex until the age of 18". Now you show me those exact words in the Koran or bible for that matter. You wont find them.

God exists, and he himself "allowed it" to happen, but he didn't "order" people to do it.
Instead; he ordered them not to. That's the concept in the Quran.

God created both good and evil, and even inspired humans to do -and produce- both, but inspiring is different than order. I have Quranic verses that prove my point.

But these bible verses "order the believers" to commit pedophilia. And mentioned it to be "a normal thing" that is also "an example". That would tell me a lot about what I might suffer from if a "Christian believer" waged war on me. Tells me too why the Catholic church is full of pedophiles -if these were the verses they believe to come from a divine source-.


And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones


It seems that the attacks that targeted "the little ones" were ordered by God himself. The Quran never mentioned such a thing. The Muslims who do so; are:
1-Taking Christians as example.
2-Take the Hadith as a source

So again;Brian:where is similar explicit verses in the Quran?