Pedophilia in the Bible: this is a porn book

[WinterHold]

Nothing proved controversial more than the explicit sexual references in the bible.
Across time, the early Romans added their share of horrible verses, the least that can be said about them is that they won't fit in a normal brain.

As an example, we have this verse:

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

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No sane person will read this, and stay a Christian. This is outdated madness of sick, criminal minds. If this is God's prophet; then to hell with God and his prophet. Both.

But it's not God. This is the Roman Catholic Church talking; this is the reality of ancient Romans.

Moreover:

When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14

Moreover:

Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. [url=http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jg/21.html#20]Judges 21:20-23

A sane person will not believe in this. A sane person will never justify this.
This is explicit. This is straight language, talking about "the soldiers of God" being allowed to enslave and do whatever they like to children.

How the hell does somebody sleep at night, knowing that they believe in the above?
How would somebody sane enough, becomes a defender of the above?

That is beyond me..

[robvalue]

People who worship glass paedophile prophets shouldn't throw stones.

The Bible is an absolutely vile book, you'll get no argument here. But I'm wondering if you've ever read the Quran. By my estimation, it's even worse. I don't know how anyone can defend either.

[WinterHold]

People who worship glass paedophile prophets shouldn't throw stones.

The Bible is an absolutely vile book, you'll get no argument here. But I'm wondering if you've ever read the Quran. By my estimation, it's even worse. I don't know how anyone can defend either.

I knew it !

Okay, why don't you prove it with a verse from the Quran; rob? I want something very direct and explicit; like the biblical texts above.
All you have is Hadith; I'm sorry but I'm a fighter of Hadith, and been saying why for years, proving so also for year after year.

I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

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Now; lots of atheists and Christians will give you kudos..
I can see it xD

[Brian37]

People who worship glass paedophile prophets shouldn't throw stones.

The Bible is an absolutely vile book, you'll get no argument here. But I'm wondering if you've ever read the Quran. By my estimation, it's even worse. I don't know how anyone can defend either.

I knew it !

Okay, why don't you prove it with a verse from the Quran; rob? I want something very direct and explicit; like the biblical texts above.
All you have is Hadith; I'm sorry but I'm a fighter of Hadith, and been saying why for years, proving so also for year after year.

I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

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Now; lots of atheists and Christians will give you kudos..
I can see it xD

Dude, your Koran was written in the same ignorant age as the bible. FYI worldwide back then, even in Asia, even in the Greeks, Romans and Ancient Egyptians, BACK THEN the mortality rate was far higher and humanity, WORLDWIDE, for the most part married off girls at a far earlier age than modern society. Girls BACK THEN were not seen as equals but property to be used a way of bartering with other families. 

Just like the Joseph of the Bible, Mo would have married a young girl or girls, between the ages of 9 and 14. But again, child brides have existed worldwide in ancient history.

[WinterHold]

I knew it !

Okay, why don't you prove it with a verse from the Quran; rob? I want something very direct and explicit; like the biblical texts above.
All you have is Hadith; I'm sorry but I'm a fighter of Hadith, and been saying why for years, proving so also for year after year.

I read the Quran daily. Do you; though?

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Now; lots of atheists and Christians will give you kudos..
I can see it xD

Dude, your Koran was written in the same ignorant age as the bible. FYI worldwide back then, even in Asia, even in the Greeks, Romans and Ancient Egyptians, BACK THEN the mortality rate was far higher and humanity, WORLDWIDE, for the most part married off girls at a far earlier age than modern society. Girls BACK THEN were not seen as equals but property to be used a way of bartering with other families. 

Just like the Joseph of the Bible, Mo would have married a young girl or girls, between the ages of 9 and 14. But again, child brides have existed worldwide in ancient history.

I need explicit verses from the Quran to prove that.
Where are they?

[Brian37]

Dude, your Koran was written in the same ignorant age as the bible. FYI worldwide back then, even in Asia, even in the Greeks, Romans and Ancient Egyptians, BACK THEN the mortality rate was far higher and humanity, WORLDWIDE, for the most part married off girls at a far earlier age than modern society. Girls BACK THEN were not seen as equals but property to be used a way of bartering with other families. 

Just like the Joseph of the Bible, Mo would have married a young girl or girls, between the ages of 9 and 14. But again, child brides have existed worldwide in ancient history.

I need explicit verses from the Quran to prove that.
Where are they?

Dude you are pulling a bait and switch. Everyone in the world back then treated kids, especially females as chattel.  Instead of just focusing on your part of the world, try studying world history.  If there was not ambiguous language in holy books, there would be no argument. I say that to Christians too. The age of consent in the Americas even today can be as low as 14 depending on country. Still plenty of Muslim  men, just like Warren Jeffs, our right wing sicko here, who DO use their holy books to justify child brides.

You make the same bad argument Christians do. If your deity didn't want this then there should be no way to ignore his words or twist his words. Allah or Jesus, if they don't want kid fucking, then why not make it clear? If this god is all powerful, and nothing  happens that they don't want happening why would this all powerful god fail to make it clear?

The truth is there is no Christian God and their is no Muslim or Jewish or Hindu ect ect ect God. THAT WAS THEN this is now. The idea of bartering children was RAMPANT in all of antiquity. You not liking how others of your same religion does not change the fact they also are using the same book. BUT AGAIN, that was then, and not just your religion, ALL of antiquity.

How hard would it be for an "all powerful god" to make it clear, "No sex until the age of 18". Now you show me those exact words in the Koran or bible for that matter. You wont find them.

[chimp3]

All of the Abrahamic religions are filled with bad ideas.

[Brian37]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage

[WinterHold]

I need explicit verses from the Quran to prove that.
Where are they?

Dude you are pulling a bait and switch. Everyone in the world back then treated kids, especially females as chattel.  Instead of just focusing on your part of the world, try studying world history.  If there was not ambiguous language in holy books, there would be no argument. I say that to Christians too. The age of consent in the Americas even today can be as low as 14 depending on country. Still plenty of Muslim  men, just like Warren Jeffs, our right wing sicko here, who DO use their holy books to justify child brides.

You make the same bad argument Christians do. If your deity didn't want this then there should be no way to ignore his words or twist his words. Allah or Jesus, if they don't want kid fucking, then why not make it clear? If this god is all powerful, and nothing  happens that they don't want happening why would this all powerful god fail to make it clear?

The truth is there is no Christian God and their is no Muslim or Jewish or Hindu ect ect ect God. THAT WAS THEN this is now. The idea of bartering children was RAMPANT in all of antiquity. You not liking how others of your same religion does not change the fact they also are using the same book. BUT AGAIN, that was then, and not just your religion, ALL of antiquity.

How hard would it be for an "all powerful god" to make it clear, "No sex until the age of 18". Now you show me those exact words in the Koran or bible for that matter. You wont find them.

God exists, and he himself "allowed it" to happen, but he didn't "order" people to do it.
Instead; he ordered them not to. That's the concept in the Quran.

God created both good and evil, and even inspired humans to do -and produce- both, but inspiring is different than order. I have Quranic verses that prove my point.

But these bible verses "order the believers" to commit pedophilia. And mentioned it to be "a normal thing" that is also "an example". That would tell me a lot about what I might suffer from if a "Christian believer" waged war on me. Tells me too why the Catholic church is full of pedophiles -if these were the verses they believe to come from a divine source-.


And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones


It seems that the attacks that targeted "the little ones" were ordered by God himself. The Quran never mentioned such a thing. The Muslims who do so; are:
1-Taking Christians as example.
2-Take the Hadith as a source

So again;Brian:where is similar explicit verses in the Quran?

[Brian37]

Dude you are pulling a bait and switch. Everyone in the world back then treated kids, especially females as chattel.  Instead of just focusing on your part of the world, try studying world history.  If there was not ambiguous language in holy books, there would be no argument. I say that to Christians too. The age of consent in the Americas even today can be as low as 14 depending on country. Still plenty of Muslim  men, just like Warren Jeffs, our right wing sicko here, who DO use their holy books to justify child brides.

You make the same bad argument Christians do. If your deity didn't want this then there should be no way to ignore his words or twist his words. Allah or Jesus, if they don't want kid fucking, then why not make it clear? If this god is all powerful, and nothing  happens that they don't want happening why would this all powerful god fail to make it clear?

The truth is there is no Christian God and their is no Muslim or Jewish or Hindu ect ect ect God. THAT WAS THEN this is now. The idea of bartering children was RAMPANT in all of antiquity. You not liking how others of your same religion does not change the fact they also are using the same book. BUT AGAIN, that was then, and not just your religion, ALL of antiquity.

How hard would it be for an "all powerful god" to make it clear, "No sex until the age of 18". Now you show me those exact words in the Koran or bible for that matter. You wont find them.

God exists, and he himself "allowed it" to happen, but he didn't "order" people to do it.
Instead; he ordered them not to. That's the concept in the Quran.

God created both good and evil, and even inspired humans to do -and produce- both, but inspiring is different than order. I have Quranic verses that prove my point.

But these bible verses "order the believers" to commit pedophilia. And mentioned it to be "a normal thing" that is also "an example". That would tell me a lot about what I might suffer from if a "Christian believer" waged war on me. Tells me too why the Catholic church is full of pedophiles -if these were the verses they believe to come from a divine source-.


And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones


It seems that the attacks that targeted "the little ones" were ordered by God himself. The Quran never mentioned such a thing. The Muslims who do so; are:
1-Taking Christians as example.
2-Take the Hadith as a source

So again;Brian:where is similar explicit verses in the Quran?

Hello, McFly.........

You keep missing my point. Stop assuming I am singling you or your religion out. I am pointing out a COMMON social norm that existed worldwide BACK THEN. But even today there are still those in India, in Asia, in the Americas, in Africa that look to their holy writings to justify marriage at a young age.

I could care less if you were a Christian, if nobody is supposed to get married until the age of 18, BACK THEN, then why isn't that clear in any holy book? BECAUSE BACK THEN humans were ignorant. The western modern value of allowing kids to grow up before taking on adult responsibilities is a result of technology and social stability, not the writings of antiquity. Not yours not any. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage  <------ The concept of bartering females as "child brides" is not unique to Islam, but there is nothing in the Koran either that demands no sex till the age of 18. 

I am NOT singling you or your religion out. My argument is the same with all religions "That was then, this is now."

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Modern human psychology and psychiatry are better ways of explaining what a child is capable of understanding and not understanding and why there is no consent between a young kid and an adult. You don't need a holy book of any label to understand that.