(March 23, 2018 at 4:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Lol I think the music is suppose to convey that it's a very delicate, intricate procedure.

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Oh shit, I got in trouble!

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Sorry guys.

Music for a video like that should be dramatic.

More like the tune from 2001 a space odyssey.

Dum.

Dum.

Dum.

DA DUM!!

Boom, boom, boom, boom,
Boom, boom, boom!

Ugh, yeah I can't watch that stuff. Where in the world did you watch an autopsy? Youtube?

(March 23, 2018 at 1:45 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(March 23, 2018 at 1:43 pm)Hammy Wrote: I don't think it's possible to be bigoted against beef stew though lol.

Yeah, but you gave the example of an apple. I returned the favor with another food analogy.

My analogy worked though.

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(March 23, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Are we talking about ghost dicks giving people the heebee-jeebees at this point? 

Yeah pretty much. And I'm saying ghost dicks don't have anything to do with convincing transwomen that you're attracted to.

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(March 23, 2018 at 1:47 pm)Shell B Wrote: I don't know if you've noticed, but these things evolve. Also, people aren't talking about ghost dicks. They're talking about a vagina that's made out of dick tissue. Frankly, I wish transsexual people had a better option, but this is the reality. Let's not pretend it isn't.

We're already assuming that the person has been fully convinced by this artifical vagina made of a penis though. The fact they can't stop thinking about penises when they're already attracted just because someone told them what it used to be like in the past, isn't relevant and let's not pretend it is.

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(March 23, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Cant remember who it was, but somebody offered another.  A transference of consciousness to a female body.  The op q asks us...on the basis of their having been trans alone,  it's not asking us about our bodily preferences - which we all have ad I don;t think anyone can really be faulted for having.

Yup. And all the bodily preference tickboxes are already checked when you are fully convinced by a person's appearance so much so that you think they're a ciswoman even after seeing and having sex with their transvagina.

Finding out what they used to look like might make you recoil in disgust but it's not relevant to the person you're actually attacted to now, and if you think it is I ask you why you think it is and I think it hints at transphobia.

General sense of "you", not you personally: from what I've read you seem to actually get this.

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(March 23, 2018 at 4:00 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think death metal would be better for this penis slicing vid.

As much as I consider this line offensive (although it doesn't offend me personally), it made me laugh. I am just not sure if the humor was unintentional or not.

Death metal for a penis slicing vid. Lmao.

Of course, I consider it offensive because it seems to be demeaning an operation that means a lot to transpeople. But we can't help what we find amusing just like we can't help what we find attractive. If I'd found it funny because it was a transwoman being operated on, then that would have been another matter. That would have been a transphobic reaction on my part.

And yeah, I think people are confused if they think they're attracted to women because they're women or attracted to men because they're men or whatever. They're attracted to particular appearances and biologically they're programmed by natural selection to be attracted to the appearances of males, females, neither or both. And most are attracted to the opposite sex because that encourages sexual reproduction which evolution strives for via natural selection.

Your penis doesn't know the difference between a perfect visual and sensory illusion of a woman and a woman. Nor does your mind. We happen to be born with innate attractions to certain sorts of people, usually but not always the opposite sex. Being attracted to someone because they're a particular biological sex.... that's like having a fetish for chromosones or something.

And, not happening to ever have found a black person you find attractive is not racist at all. Believing you probably never will based on your experience is not racist at all either. But if you find yourself attracted to a black person and then bury those feelings because they're a black person.... then that does hint at racist motives behind that burying of your true feelings. And THAT is analgous to finding a transwoman attractive and then recoiling once you discover what she used to be, recoiling because she's trans, and because she wasn't born with a vagina, rather than just because you don't happen to be into how she appears.

It wouldn't even be wrong if on further inpection she no longer seems convincing to you and you get turned off. But we're talking about you still remaining convinced and still finding her attractive but deludedly thinking that because of how she used to be then that must be icky when it has absolutely nothing to do with the person that you're STILL attracted to. And what drives that delusion?

Once I have found what seems like a bunch of perfectly accurate points and someone responds in such a way that shows they have misunderstood my argument.... it's really hard to not just repeat the same arguments because they're already accurate. I try to explain them better but I'm already explaining them as well as I can. I need a break.

(March 23, 2018 at 5:32 pm)Hammy Wrote: My analogy worked though.

Mine didn't on the basis that it was food and yours did on the basis of what exactly?

Quote:We're already assuming that the person has been fully convinced by this artifical vagina made of a penis though.

No, we're not. She said attracted, not attracted to their artificial vagina. Moreover, the idea of a thing can make it unattractive. Therefore, if you only saw it and didn't have this idea of the thing before, it's reasonable to change your mind. I don't know why it matters. If they don't want to fuck it, they don't have to, and shouldn't be judged for it.

Just because people don't agree with you does not mean they don't "actually get this."

(March 23, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Shell B Wrote: I’ve seen it recorded live. I don’t know why I watch these things. The other day, we watched the autopsy of an obese person from start to finish. Weird.

Try doing one.

(March 23, 2018 at 5:32 pm)Hammy Wrote: Once I have found what feels like a bunch of accurate arguments and someone responds in such a way that shows they have misunderstood my point.... it's really hard to not just repeat the same arguments because they're already accurate. I try to explain them better but I'm already explaining them as well as I can. I need a break.

This reaction to people who disagree with you is never going to stop is it? We either agree with you or we don't understand what you're saying? So, we agree with you or we're stupid? Come on, Hams. You're making it hard, and I'm not talking about my ghost penis.

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(March 23, 2018 at 5:52 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(March 23, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Shell B Wrote: I’ve seen it recorded live. I don’t know why I watch these things. The other day, we watched the autopsy of an obese person from start to finish. Weird.

Try doing one.

We actually talked about you while we watched it! Tibs thought you were a surgeon, as in did surgery on living people, and I said, "Nope. She cuts up dead folks." Do you break a sweat cracking open the biggies or are you pretty strong?

(March 23, 2018 at 5:50 pm)Shell B Wrote: Mine didn't on the basis that it was food and yours did on the basis of what exactly?

Mine succeeding on the basis of demonstrating my point. Yours failed on the basis of merely also involving food rather than actually countering my point.

(March 23, 2018 at 5:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ugh, yeah I can't watch that stuff. Where in the world did you watch an autopsy? Youtube?

Netflix, yo. Gotta love that shit. I added it to the list a few weeks ago and tibs saw it there the other night. I didn't think he'd be into it, but he was like, "Ooo, wanna watch this?" and I was like, "You're so hot."

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(March 23, 2018 at 5:55 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(March 23, 2018 at 5:50 pm)Shell B Wrote: Mine didn't on the basis that it was food and yours did on the basis of what exactly?

Mine succeeding on the basis of demonstrating my point. Yours failed on the basis of merely also involving food rather than actually countering my point.

Sure it didn't, Hammy. Whatever.

(March 23, 2018 at 5:50 pm)Shell B Wrote: No, we're not.

That is what I've been arguing the entire time. I've consistently stated that I'm specifically talking about people who are still convinced by the person's artificial body and I'm arguing that getting distracted by how someone used to be has nothing to do with it. I've also stated that not being attracted to a transperson because you happen to find them unattractive is not transphobic. And yet I've been repeatedly misrepresented as saying the opposite. I'm not attracted to 99% of transwomen and if it was 100% that wouldn't make me transphobic. If I was already attracted and continued to be attracted after I discovered that she was trans, but I recoiled because I kept thinking about what she used to be like, and buried my feelings about who she was now, because I was phobic of the fact she was trans and the fact her vagina was artifical despite the fact that I was still attracted to it and her as it and she appears right now.... then that would be transphobic of me

(March 23, 2018 at 5:53 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(March 23, 2018 at 5:32 pm)Hammy Wrote: Once I have found what feels like a bunch of accurate arguments and someone responds in such a way that shows they have misunderstood my point.... it's really hard to not just repeat the same arguments because they're already accurate. I try to explain them better but I'm already explaining them as well as I can. I need a break.

This reaction to people who disagree with you is never going to stop is it? We either agree with you or we don't understand what you're saying? So, we agree with you or we're stupid? Come on, Hams. You're making it hard, and I'm not talking about my ghost penis.

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(March 23, 2018 at 5:52 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Try doing one.

We actually talked about you while we watched it! Tibs thought you were a surgeon, as in did surgery on living people, and I said, "Nope. She cuts up dead folks." Do you break a sweat cracking open the biggies or are you pretty strong?

I thought she was a heart surgeon?

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(March 23, 2018 at 5:56 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(March 23, 2018 at 5:30 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Ugh, yeah I can't watch that stuff. Where in the world did you watch an autopsy? Youtube?

Netflix, yo. Gotta love that shit. I added it to the list a few weeks ago and tibs saw it there the other night. I didn't think he'd be into it, but he was like, "Ooo, wanna watch this?" and I was like, "You're so hot."

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(March 23, 2018 at 5:55 pm)Hammy Wrote: Mine succeeding on the basis of demonstrating my point. Yours failed on the basis of merely also involving food rather than actually countering my point.

Sure it didn't, Hammy. Whatever.

Shell what is the show called?