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I will become Atheist if.....
#1
I will become Atheist if.....
I am getting awfully bored...so I am going to give you guys the best opportunity to bring me to the dark side which will allow me to do all these things I really want to do but restrict myself from doing!


1. You can rationally justify belief in a value of a human being in the framework of Atheism (and I am using this definition as in non-belief in supernatural gods).
2. You can rationally justify you being the same person as a child with that framework, that despite all the changes, you are the same person.
3. You can rationally justify your actions being linked to who you are and there is a such thing as "better" or "worse" when it comes to humans.
4.  You can rationally justify the belief in justice with your framework.
5. You can rationally justify the nature of love that has language that judges all things and gives value to all things from your framework.

I am not saying you have to do all 5. You can do 1. Trust me, my faith will fall and shred, if you can and I'm not joking.  It will shred.

So ball is in your court.
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#2
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Sure thing buddy.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#3
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I have no interest in convincing you of anything.

You be you.
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#4
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Posts like this infuriate me. To assume I'm not a good person because of my lack of belief in a deity is just astounding. Atheist isn't about doing right or wrong it is simply saying I don't agree with something. Who are you to judge our characters because we disagree on something that has no direct line to a person's worth or actions.
“What screws us up the most in life is the picture in our head of what it's supposed to be.”

Also if your signature makes my scrolling mess up "you're tacky and I hate you."
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#5
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If you were able to accept rational justification you would already be an atheist.
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#6
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Forget all that. Baby meat is really tender.
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#7
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(March 27, 2018 at 11:27 am)mlmooney89 Wrote: Posts like this infuriate me. To assume I'm not a good person because of my lack of belief in a deity is just astounding. Atheist isn't about doing right or wrong it is simply saying I don't agree with something. Who are you to judge our characters because we disagree on something that has no direct line to a person's worth or actions.

I am sorry they infuriate you. I know very well Atheists can do compassionate actions, not so sure if they deny the nature of goodness if their actions can be considered good, but they can do many acts of compassion, gratitude, respect, and of love for sure.  I am searching the answer if an action can be considered good without belief in the true nature of goodness.

But I just want to see you justify framework of our humanity that no human does without the framework of Atheism. If you can justify any of the above in the framework of Atheism, I will leave Theism, because my Theism is built on the impossibility to justify any of these things from the framework of Atheism.
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(March 27, 2018 at 11:21 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I am getting awfully bored...so I am going to give you guys the best opportunity to bring me to the dark side which will allow me to do all these things I really want to do but restrict myself from doing!


1. You can rationally justify belief in a value of a human being in the framework of Atheism (and I am using this definition as in non-belief in supernatural gods).
2. You can rationally justify you being the same person as a child with that framework, that despite all the changes, you are the same person.
3. You can rationally justify your actions being linked to who you are and there is a such thing as "better" or "worse" when it comes to humans.
4.  You can rationally justify the belief in justice with your framework.
5. You can rationally justify the nature of love that has language that judges all things and gives value to all things from your framework.

I am not saying you have to do all 5. You can do 1. Trust me, my faith will fall and shred, if you can and I'm not joking.  It will shred.

So ball is in your court.
b-mine

We both know that's not true, so why say it?  It doesn;t seem like anyone else is convinced that this is anything other than a futile endeavor, either.  Why do you think that is?

Moreover..what if someone simply pointed out that nothing through 1-5 has any god in it..so wtf does it have to do with atheism? An atheist might not (and need not) accept or posess a justification for one or any of those things.
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#9
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If you think you would lose all concepts of justice, morality, and compassion without your theism, then please for the love of your god stay a theist.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#10
RE: I will become Atheist if.....
(March 27, 2018 at 11:32 am)MysticKnight Wrote:
(March 27, 2018 at 11:27 am)mlmooney89 Wrote: Posts like this infuriate me. To assume I'm not a good person because of my lack of belief in a deity is just astounding. Atheist isn't about doing right or wrong it is simply saying I don't agree with something. Who are you to judge our characters because we disagree on something that has no direct line to a person's worth or actions.

I am sorry they infuriate you. I know very well Atheists can do compassionate actions, not so sure if they deny the nature of goodness if their actions can be considered good, but they can do many acts of compassion, gratitude, respect, and of love for sure.  I am searching the answer if an action can be considered good without belief in the true nature of goodness.

But I just want to see you justify framework of our humanity that no human does without the framework of Atheism. If you can justify any of the above in the framework of Atheism, I will leave Theism, because my Theism is built on the impossibility justify any of these things from the framework of Atheism.

If our explaining being an atheist sways you from your core beliefs you must not believe very much. Also the act of being good and the act of being bad are both human nature and part of our instincts just like wanting water or food. It's the way our brain works.
“What screws us up the most in life is the picture in our head of what it's supposed to be.”

Also if your signature makes my scrolling mess up "you're tacky and I hate you."
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