Deeply wrong and evil for bringing shame to magic book..or for being a slavery apologist...honestly? Which one stands out, between the two?

(April 3, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Deeply wrong and evil for bringing shame to magic book..or for being a slavery apologist...honestly?

The latter is what killed me but the former hurts too, and I can't bring shame to Quran because I've made it clear none of you should take what I say about serious enough to think that's definitely what it says unless you research yourself and know and perceive. Don't assume what I say of Quran is true. All I can speak is my perceptions of it which I already stated is not even to the extent I can confirm it is consistent or all true (since I Haven't sufficient reflected over part of it) but over all I believe in it and find it full of enlightening ways of reflection. I've made it the case no one can represent the book but God himself and the his Masters he appoints. I'm not the Master who the book calls to, nor am I delegated authority by the representative of God.

No one represents the book from schoalrs or Ayatollahs and certainly not me and hadiths are filled with insights but as well, with what blinds you to Quran and contradicts it.

Ilmel Rijal is makes a full circle in reasoning, and so is justifying following an Ayatollah or Marjaa.

Find the means to certainty, I am not your meads or your guide or you leader and I am not meant to lead to a promised land or anything.

You don't have to listen what I say. You can even put me on ignore.

But you can't ignore Quran and Ahlulbayt (as) who the Prophet said to hold on to and who the Quran shows is to be held by the handhold of love (42:23).

I'm pleasantly surprised.  To be completely blunt....I expected you to go the other way with it.

You're right, though, you can't bring shame to magic book in this..because magic book contains it and so shames itself.

(April 3, 2018 at 12:36 pm)Khemikal Wrote: because magic book contains it and so shames itself.

If you know that's true, kudos to you.

It's kindof a softball though, isn't it?  Basically the moral equivalent of asking someone their name and giving them points for getting it right, lol.

(April 3, 2018 at 12:22 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I don;t think that you're going to send religious people running for the hills and away from their magic books just because they contain horrible shit allegedly spoken from on high.

It doesn't seem to bother any of you.  For some..it's their favorite part, it's why they believe in the first place.

You know; you would end this whole discussion if you just brought a single verse from the Quran that advocates slavery or pedophilia

Right....because we all see how the religious just shut right up and definitely don't engage in slavery apologism when this is pointed out.  I bet you don;t consider your memory-holing apologism, either.  

Being A Southern Person™..memory holing is my favorite example of the genre.

(April 3, 2018 at 12:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I know I was wrong Atlas, and I apologized. You want to scold my soul more, it's fine, I know I was deeply in the wrong and evil here.

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I'm not here to "teach you a lesson"; dipshit.
Quit the "victimization" of yourself and face the trolling you cause or at least admit, that you:

1-defended pedophilia for 30 pages.
2-gave so many people a headache without even reading what the topic was about -according to what you said; even though I think you're a liar: you know exactly what this topic was about; I even put the OP's message in the title !!!! -
3-defended the killing of civilians and the enslaving of civilians
4-admission that you're 'not reading topic'; but instead you post 'walls of text' for pages like a perfect troll.

Troll !

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(April 3, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Right....because we all see how the religious just shut right up and definitely don't engage in slavery apologism when this is pointed out.  I bet you don;t consider your memory-holing apologism, either.  

Being A Southern Person™..memory holing is my favorite example of the genre.

What I ask for is simple:
Quran verse -just a single one- that approve slavery.

(March 20, 2018 at 4:41 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Nothing proved controversial more than the explicit sexual references in the bible.
Across time, the early Romans added their share of horrible verses, the least that can be said about them is that they won't fit in a normal brain.

As an example, we have this verse:

Quote:And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males ... And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

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No sane person will read this, and stay a Christian. This is outdated madness of sick, criminal minds. If this is God's prophet; then to hell with God and his prophet. Both.

But it's not God. This is the Roman Catholic Church talking; this is the reality of ancient Romans.

Moreover:

Quote:When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it ... And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself. Deuteronomy 20:10-14

Moreover:

Quote:Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh ... And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught. [url=http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/jg/21.html#20]Judges 21:20-23

A sane person will not believe in this. A sane person will never justify this.
This is explicit. This is straight language, talking about "the soldiers of God" being allowed to enslave and do whatever they like to children.

How the hell does somebody sleep at night, knowing that they believe in the above?
How would somebody sane enough, becomes a defender of the above?

That is beyond me..

moron...

How can anyone smarter than a cabbage judge one culture using another's morality across time?

Are you so stupid as to believe that your morality is universal?

If so then why do so many others living in the world today see you/people living in the west as pure evil?

When Christians and Muslims point out inconsistencies and problems with each other's holy book.