Here ya go, Rik:

Quote:An individual, human or animal, is defined to be in a conscious state empirically by the behavioral ability to respond meaningfully to stimuli, whereas the loss of consciousness is defined by unresponsiveness... Because baseline brain energy consumption has been shown by 13C magnetic resonance spectroscopy to be almost exclusively dedicated to neuronal signaling, we propose that the high level of brain energy is a necessary property of the conscious state.
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[This study] has identified brain properties for the human in a conscious state that change with loss of consciousness; properties, at the neuronal level which in their interconnections display the characteristics of consciousness.

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/27/11096

I just read the abstract and the conclusion, but this study shows a direct correlation between consciousness and brain states. I had a bit of trouble following all the details, but I'm pretty sure this experiment links conscious states with high level brain energy.

(April 5, 2018 at 10:16 am)Whateverist Wrote:

(April 5, 2018 at 10:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I got a better idea darling.  
Instead making the popcorn can you please explain how the consciousness is a product of the brain?  

I've got a still better idea.  How about from now on you only use the words "science" and "scientists" to refer to people who apply the scientific method in a peer reviewed field, and not for swamis who turn their third eye to gaze into their own naval?  Guess you never thought of that sport, did you?

I guess you would have never thought about the fact that scientists still do not know where the consciousness come from while Shiva explained that ages ago.  

(April 5, 2018 at 10:13 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(April 5, 2018 at 10:03 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Sick Ricky is a troll with some serious long game.

Let’s see a debate between Little Rik and MK.  I’ll make the popcorn!!! 😂

I got a better idea darling.  
Instead making the popcorn can you please explain how the consciousness is a product of the brain?  

I am not stepping into your giant pile of endless dog shit.  You’re an adult.  Get yourself a science education if you really can’t fathom an answer to that question.  Your willful ignorance is no one’s problem but your own.

(April 5, 2018 at 10:36 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Here ya go, Rik:

Quote:An individual, human or animal, is defined to be in a conscious state empirically by the behavioral ability to respond meaningfully to stimuli, whereas the loss of consciousness is defined by unresponsiveness... Because baseline brain energy consumption has been shown by 13C magnetic resonance spectroscopy to be almost exclusively dedicated to neuronal signaling, we propose that the high level of brain energy is a necessary property of the conscious state.
...
[This study] has identified brain properties for the human in a conscious state that change with loss of consciousness; properties, at the neuronal level which in their interconnections display the characteristics of consciousness.

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/27/11096

I just read the abstract and the conclusion, but this study shows a direct correlation between consciousness and brain states. I had a bit of trouble following all the details, but I'm pretty sure this experiment links conscious states with high level brain energy.

This study does not contradict anything that I have said.

Obviously a brain is needed to allow the consciousness to function in any animal or human life form and the more the brain function well the more the consciousness function well.
The two are very very much connected.
However this connection does not means that the brain can give birth to the consciousness.  
Plants do not have a brain but they still have consciousness so consciousness doesn't necessary need a brain to function.  
As soon as the consciousness increase in lower form of life such as plants then a brain is needed to allow this low form of consciousness in plants to move on to new goals that is why a brain is needed as plants turn into animals.

Don't you worry too much VL.
Sooner or later you too will understand how the whole system works.
That desirable day you too like everybody else in the past will dump all atheistic dogmas    in the rubbish bin of history and real progress will be a reality.  

I think we're watching an animal turn into a plant right before our eyes.  

(April 5, 2018 at 10:58 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 5, 2018 at 10:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I got a better idea darling.  
Instead making the popcorn can you please explain how the consciousness is a product of the brain?  

I am not stepping into your giant pile of endless dog shit.  You’re an adult.  Get yourself a science education if you really can’t fathom an answer to that question.  Your willful ignorance is no one’s problem but your own.

Thanks for admitting that you haven't got a clue.  
I already knew that you are full of BS.  
Spouting dogma after dogma and then dumping the burden of proof on those who ask you an explanation.  
Shame woman shame.  

(April 5, 2018 at 11:28 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(April 5, 2018 at 10:58 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I am not stepping into your giant pile of endless dog shit.  You’re an adult.  Get yourself a science education if you really can’t fathom an answer to that question.  Your willful ignorance is no one’s problem but your own.

Thanks for admitting that you haven't got a clue.  
I already knew that you are full of BS.  
Spouting dogma after dogma and then dumping the burden of proof on those who ask you an explanation.  
Shame woman shame.  

Trollolololol

How about this, Ricky.  Why don’t you explain to me the mechanisms of consciousness.  Don’t forget to back up your hypothesis with sound reasoning and demonstrable evidence.  I’ll wait.

That’s what I thought, lol.

(April 5, 2018 at 11:17 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(April 5, 2018 at 10:36 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Here ya go, Rik:

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/27/11096

I just read the abstract and the conclusion, but this study shows a direct correlation between consciousness and brain states. I had a bit of trouble following all the details, but I'm pretty sure this experiment links conscious states with high level brain energy.

This study does not contradict anything that I have said.

Obviously a brain is needed to allow the consciousness to function in any animal or human life form and the more the brain function well the more the consciousness function well.
The two are very very much connected.
However this connection does not means that the brain can give birth to the consciousness.  
Plants do not have a brain but they still have consciousness so consciousness doesn't necessary need a brain to function.  
As soon as the consciousness increase in lower form of life such as plants then a brain is needed to allow this low form of consciousness in plants to move on to new goals that is why a brain is needed as plants turn into animals.

Don't you worry too much VL.
Sooner or later you too will understand how the whole system works.
That desirable day you too like everybody else in the past will dump all atheistic dogmas    in the rubbish bin of history and real progress will be a reality.  

Plants turn into animals? Lol, WTF?

"Atheists are dogmatists," says Karma dogmatist.