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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:03 am
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CDF47 Wrote:Mathilda Wrote:But you believe micro-evolution works. So what mechanism is stopping small changes from accumulating over time to become big changes?
I don't believe there is any proof for it. I don't believe man descended from apes either.
You're right, there is no proof of a mechanism that would keep 'microevolutionary changes' from accumulating into 'macroevolutionary changes'. If there is such a thing, whoever discovered it would earn a well-deserved Nobel Prize. In the meantime, asserting that microevolutionary change can't accumulate into macroevolutionary change over more time is akin to claiming that we ought to doubt that a person who can walk ten miles in a day can walk thousands of miles in a year.
CDF47 Wrote:It is the information problem that needs to be addressed here. The snowflake is just an inanimate object. Living systems contain such complex and specific information it boggles the mind.
The page of a book is an inanimate object. What does the animation or lack thereof have to do with whether something can have information?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:05 am
(May 4, 2018 at 10:49 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Junk Status? Is that you?
There's a troll called Junk Status? I missed that one.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:07 am
(May 4, 2018 at 11:03 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: CDF47 Wrote:I don't believe there is any proof for it. I don't believe man descended from apes either.
You're right, there is no proof of a mechanism that would keep 'microevolutionary changes' from accumulating into 'macroevolutionary changes'. If there is such a thing, whoever discovered it would earn a well-deserved Nobel Prize. In the meantime, asserting that microevolutionary change can't accumulate into macroevolutionary change over more time is akin to claiming that we ought to doubt that a person who can walk ten miles in a day can walk thousands of miles in a year.
Ah right I misunderstood CDF47. I thought he was saying that he doesn't believe in micro-evolution. Which confused me as he was the one that brought it up and seemed to imply that he did believe in it.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:09 am
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(May 4, 2018 at 11:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: Granted, my "have to" is a specific value of "have to" - as in, they have to reconcile co-equal truths. If there is a god..okay. There are also facts of biology. They would both have to be true, and if we have to deny some fact in order to purchase credibility for the god idea...well..it's not credible, it's not a co-equal truth.
Duh lol.
(May 4, 2018 at 11:01 am)Khemikal Wrote: I agree, even though I think that a person could have rational god beliefs.....if their beliefs aren't in that hypothetical set then it would be far better if they communicated that accurately to others..and more importantly, to themselves.
I don't think it's possible to rationally believe in God if by "God" we mean "a being outside the universe."
If we just mean some superintelligent being that one day shows up and claims to have designed everything, then sure. But that's not the same thing as God.
Quote:Our boy CDF could use a heaping helping of self awareness.
His head is clearly so full of theistic bullshit that it's going to take a whole paradigm shift and a total change of lifestyle if he's to even actually start listening to what we're saying. He's far too swamped in his theism and creationism to listen... clearly. He's just preaching his crap at us and not one part of him seems to even want to consider the fact that we might be right and he might be miseducated.
EDIT: Why the fuck are the quotes not showing in this post? They look right to me. EDIT 2: Fixed. One extra open quote tag seemed to fuck them all up somehow.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:09 am
(May 4, 2018 at 10:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 4, 2018 at 10:05 am)Khemikal Wrote: Goodness, saved from what? Should I lock my doors...clutch my pearls and my guns? Am I under some kind of threat? By whom?
In my religious belief, if you believe in the Son of God you will be saved and have everlasting life in paradise.
What a disgrace you are to your monkey ancesters. At least you have the good grace to pretend they are not responsible for the likes of you.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:10 am
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@ Mathilda
Nah, creationists have taken to "believing" in micro evolution, of late, as part of -how- they deny macroevolution. They think it makes them sound that much less silly....the irony being that it makes them sound even sillier.
The thing that bunches their panties is speciation. They're very salty about god having made them apes.... apparently. It;s almost as if they think his grand plan was shit. 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:11 am
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Funny how earlier he tried beating me over the head with a wikipedia article . When that same source considers his sides whole information theory pseudoscience. Selective sourcing ?
Quote:Specified complexity is a concept proposed by William Dembski and used by him and others to promote the pseudoscientific arguments of .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specified_complexity
Quote:I don't believe there is any proof for it. I don't believe man descended from apes either.
Then your a science denialist
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:17 am
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(May 4, 2018 at 11:09 am)Hammy Wrote: I don't think it's possible to rationally believe in God if by "God" we mean "a being outside the universe."
If we just mean some superintelligent being that one day shows up and claims to have designed everything, then sure. But that's not the same thing as God. Doesn't it ever strike you that all of these comments about god swirl around a tiny fraction of what people have considered gods to be...the judeochristian brand, as it were? Most gods are just beings -in this universe- that help or obstruct human effort through a variety of means. They;re not creators and don;t claim to be, they;re not all powerful, theyre not all spirits, many are mortal.....and most have no magic whatsoever.
Personally, I don't think we can even begin to approach a hypothetical set of rational god beliefs if we begin with and limit ourselves to the common christer god.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:18 am
(May 4, 2018 at 2:48 am)CDF47 Wrote: DNA has a property that cannot be explained by natural processes. Locked securely inside the double helix structure of DNA is a wealth of information in the form of precisely sequenced chemicals that scientists represent with the letters A, C, T, and G. In a written language information is communicated by a precise arrangement of letters. In the same way, the instruction necessary to assemble amino acids into proteins are conveyed by the sequences of chemicals arranged along the spine of the DNA. This chemical code has been called the “Language of Life” and it is the most densely packed and elaborately detailed assembly of information in the known universe.
First sentence, very problematic. Argument from ignorance.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 4, 2018 at 11:20 am
(May 4, 2018 at 10:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: How are you doing? You post here as well? Good to see you here.
The feeling is *not* mutual. (puts CDF47 on ignore)
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