(May 6, 2018 at 5:45 pm)Quick Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 4:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Um sorry, but while "atheist" refers to "off on "God/god/deity" claims, I make no distinction with labels like "pantheist".

Exactly what does "pantheist" mean? I've heard arguments from others over the years whom call themselves that that the universe itself is a living thing. Not buying that anymore than I would a popular god belief. 

Old mythology or new age woo, it is all the same to me. Humans basically not seeing that we are not important to the cosmos or universe. Humans simply don't like the fact we are finite.

That's not a problem for me that you fail to understand the distinction of belief that separates me from yourself.

(May 6, 2018 at 4:50 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Against my better judgement...

The left recurrent laryngeal nerve. It travels all the way down the neck, into the chest cavity, around the aorta and back to the larynx. I humans, not so much of a design flaw. In giraffes (yes, same stupid flaw there)...

The shared opening of the trachea and esophagus, resulting in thousands of choking deaths and aspiration pneumonia cases every year.

The proximity of our reproductive system and waste elimination systems (often jokingly referred to a putting the recreation facility in the middle of a waste treatment facility) which leads to thousands of unnecessary infections, some life threatening.

Susceptibility to all manner of diseases, many of them deadly.

Allergies to the very foods we eat and (natural impurities in) the very air we breath

The inability of our eyes to perceive a number of threats, including UV, even though the lowly honey bee can.

And that's just within the human species, off the top of my head.


In the wider world...

The reliance on the the brutality of the food chain to provide sustenance to nearly all animals.

The two most common waste gasses of all animals (CO2 and methane) being greenhouse gasses.

Radiation from the the one thing making life on this planet possible, also being the cause of various cancers.

Billions of tons of rock and ice that can easily  be perturbed out of their stable orbits to become weapons of mass destruction on a scale humans can't even begin to conceive of creating.

Again, off the top of my head, and I'm certain there are many, many more that could be provided by others.


If there is an ultimate designer of life, the universe and everything else, it is an incompetent boob.

All this says is that we don't live in a utopia. IDK why it would be necessary for us to live in a utopia as a necessity that there is a higher being.

(May 6, 2018 at 5:20 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: "Aliens"?

I have no idea what you are saying. If you want to use words instead of a meme, I can have a discussion with you.

That was a word, not a meme.

And if you don't believe in gods but do believe in a designer, does that mean you think it was aliens who genetically engineered us?

(May 6, 2018 at 5:45 pm)Quick Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 4:28 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Um sorry, but while "atheist" refers to "off on "God/god/deity" claims, I make no distinction with labels like "pantheist".

Exactly what does "pantheist" mean? I've heard arguments from others over the years whom call themselves that that the universe itself is a living thing. Not buying that anymore than I would a popular god belief. 

Old mythology or new age woo, it is all the same to me. Humans basically not seeing that we are not important to the cosmos or universe. Humans simply don't like the fact we are finite.

That's not a problem for me that you fail to understand the distinction of belief that separates me from yourself.

(May 6, 2018 at 4:50 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: Against my better judgement...

The left recurrent laryngeal nerve. It travels all the way down the neck, into the chest cavity, around the aorta and back to the larynx. I humans, not so much of a design flaw. In giraffes (yes, same stupid flaw there)...

The shared opening of the trachea and esophagus, resulting in thousands of choking deaths and aspiration pneumonia cases every year.

The proximity of our reproductive system and waste elimination systems (often jokingly referred to a putting the recreation facility in the middle of a waste treatment facility) which leads to thousands of unnecessary infections, some life threatening.

Susceptibility to all manner of diseases, many of them deadly.

Allergies to the very foods we eat and (natural impurities in) the very air we breath

The inability of our eyes to perceive a number of threats, including UV, even though the lowly honey bee can.

And that's just within the human species, off the top of my head.


In the wider world...

The reliance on the the brutality of the food chain to provide sustenance to nearly all animals.

The two most common waste gasses of all animals (CO2 and methane) being greenhouse gasses.

Radiation from the the one thing making life on this planet possible, also being the cause of various cancers.

Billions of tons of rock and ice that can easily  be perturbed out of their stable orbits to become weapons of mass destruction on a scale humans can't even begin to conceive of creating.

Again, off the top of my head, and I'm certain there are many, many more that could be provided by others.


If there is an ultimate designer of life, the universe and everything else, it is an incompetent boob.

All this says is that we don't live in a utopia. IDK why it would be necessary for us to live in a utopia as a necessity that there is a higher being.

You claim you're no theist, yet you dismiss others arguments out of hand just like one.

I knew I shouldn't have bothered.

Quick: If you don't like our definitions or concept of pantheism how about enlightening us rather than being cryptic. 

Or is this part of your superiority mystique?

(May 6, 2018 at 7:36 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I provided proof.  That pretty much ended the debate.

And yet here we are, you didn't provide proof at all, only speculation.
Perhaps return when the scientific community agrees with you ?

(May 6, 2018 at 8:11 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 7:36 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I provided proof.  That pretty much ended the debate.

And yet here we are, you didn't provide proof at all, only speculation.
Perhaps return when the scientific community agrees with you ?

I don't care who agrees.  It is proven.

(May 6, 2018 at 8:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 6, 2018 at 8:11 pm)possibletarian Wrote: And yet here we are, you didn't provide proof at all, only speculation.
Perhaps return when the scientific community agrees with you ?

I don't care who agrees.  It is proven.

  No. It isn't. Maybe in your squirrely little mind, but in reality - no.