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(May 8, 2018 at 6:32 am)Hammy Wrote: Goodbye everyone I'm done with posting on AF (or at least I think I am. You know me, I'm a consistently inconsistent unstable character with a transient--as opposed to enduring--sense of self. (Not a lying asshole as Joods et al would have you believe))... but I will play AF Mafia if I don't get my ass banned for being the way I've always been for my whole life (not just the 10 years I've been here).

I don't expect anyone to take this seriously. And that's fine. As I almost always change my mind and when I say stuff like this it's almost always meaningless because of that. But I say what I think anyway (I almost have to)... and there may indeed come a time when feelings such as these stick with me. And who knows maybe that could be this time. Who knows indeed. Fuck it. Fuck it indeed. Precisely.

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You have literally gone on a search and destroy mission, bringing as much of your hate for me, into three threads as you can. I find this behavior to be concerning, especially given the fact that all I said was that I didn't agree with your assessment of Neo's post and I felt you were being an ass about it. That is not the worst thing anyone has ever said to you, yet you act like I just killed a puppy. You then took it too far and decided that it was an all out war between us and you started slinging insult after insult and cussing me out and intentionally misrepresenting what I said. And then you went off the rails because ONE person kudosed two of my posts. No sane or rational thinking person does that. Oh boo fucking hoo - I got some kudos because someone felt the same way about two of your posts that I did. So you now need to become so bitter and hateful over it that you need to make up imaginary scenarios in your head and blow this way out of proportion? Aren't you supposed to be an adult? 

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(May 7, 2018 at 4:08 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(May 7, 2018 at 1:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: No. There must first be an acknowledgment of the Holy Spirit by a receptive heart. Faith is the position we reason from, not the position we reason towards.

LMFAO! And there you have it folks! A total and complete admission of total irrationality on Neo's part. Next he'll be telling me I'm twisting his words because he didn't precisely and literally say word for word "I admit I am coming from a position of total irrationality".

LFC asked if it's possible for an atheist to reason their way to belief in God.... Neo says no. And yet he has a problem with me calling him irrational?!

Start with the conclusion first and then come up with obfuscation and smarm to pretend to support it... that's the Neo way.

Bloody hell Neo saying "Faith is the position we reason from, not the position we reason towards" would be going right in my signature if there hadn't been a rule against it. Just so he can't keep pretending to be rational in a debate. I guess I'll just bookmark it and quote his own words right back at him when he next pretends to be rational.

Oh wait. I know what I CAN do. It's Hall of Shame time!

Neo, if this was a debate on whether Christianity is true any reasonable person would have considered an admission like that from you to be an admission of defeat. In a debate if you basically say that reason can't get you to your position then you've basically forfeited any chance of reasonably saying that your position is true. You may as well just be wearing a t-shirt saying "My whole worldview is irrational."

Everything in red was completely uncalled for. You don't like people discounting your thoughts and feelings, but you seem to have no problem doing that to others. Below is my first post to you in response of your highly criticizing post of Neo. 

(May 7, 2018 at 4:50 pm)Joods Wrote: And this is why conversations break down and theists don't want to have sincere discussions with us. Because of stuff like this. Hammy I'm sorry but your post was a total bait post and designed to hinder further discussion.

And this is where your meltdown starts. 
Clearly no one is entitled to have an opinion about what you did wrong without getting this sort of shit as a response:

(May 7, 2018 at 4:51 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(May 7, 2018 at 4:50 pm)Joods Wrote: And this is why conversations break down and theists don't want to have sincere discussions with us. Because of stuff like this. Hammy I'm sorry but your post was a total bait post and designed to hinder further discussion.

No it bloody well wasn't. Period. Neo just said that he reasons from faith and not to faith so I was commenting on how ridiculous that was.

You did way more than comment on how ridiculous you thought that was. You literally belittled the man and called him irrational. How do you not see what you post?

Quote:What part of my post do you actually disagree with?

All of it because you were really harsh in your critique. 

Quote:And I'm sorry but your claim that my post was a "total bait post designed to hinder further discussion" is completely baseless and does nothing but bait me and make it falsely appear to others like I'm trying to do something that I'm not trying to do at all.

Of course now you're going to get offended. But it's okay that you may have offended someone else and don't think you should have to deal with the consequences of that? So basically what you're telling everyone here is that Hammy is the only one entitled to have any valid feelings. No one else gets to, but not only that - only Hammy reserves the right to invalidate anyone's feelings that aren't in line with his own. Got it. It's all about YOU. 

Quote:I just said what I think and you misread destructive intentions into it that aren't there that just came straight out of your own brain.

Nope. Your own words did that for you. Your continued insults and assumptions of what you thought Neo would respond with, in the very first paragraph, is evident of this. But I like how you bring up this delusion and try to blame it on me. 

Quote:Like I said, what part of my post do you actually disagree with?

Again - all of it. 

Quote:It's bullshit like your post here that ruins discussions...

What ruined the discussion was your post which was filled with nothing but criticism for another member here, simply responding to the questions being asked. 

Quote:...because I wasn't trying to do what you falsely claim I was trying to do at all...

It is your opinion that I was falsely claiming you were doing anything. It isn't a false claim if everyone can see how hateful your post was and how it would clearly disrupt further discussion of the actual thread topic. Oh... it did that very thing. So nope. No false claim there. Only your vivid imagination running wild, as always. 

Quote: ...and you criticize my post without even saying what you disagree with.

I think my three sentence post pretty much made it clear what I disagreed with. I'm not getting into semantics with you. It's not worth it to try and have a rational discussion with someone who's clearly being irrational. See the rest of this post. 

Quote:It's you who just put a lid on discussion here.

Projection because you can't handle being called out on your own shit. 

Quote:I was participating in it.

No. You were intentionally mocking the person and the answers they gave. You were insulting and you were rude. And you don't like being told those things so your campaign of hate started the minute I pointed these things out. Grow up. 

Quote:I was talking about how irrational it is to start from a position of faith instead of reason... do you disagree with that?

You started with "LMFAO! And there you have it folks!" That right there is intentionally designed to bait someone into being on the defensive. You could have left that part out and all of the other insinuations you made about Neo and just stuck to the point. You didn't have to be insulting about it. 

Quote:What do you actually disagree with that I said?

All of it. Again, for the third time. 

Quote:You just appear to be going on an irrelevant digression when I was actually addressing Neo's response to LFC and explaining how ridiculous and irrational it was.

You did more than just explain. You literally discredited his feelings and acted like he was in the total wrong. He is a Christian. He was answering the questions LFC put out there, based on his faith. Just because you don't like his faith, gives you no right to discredit his answers, especially in the manner that you did it in.

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(May 7, 2018 at 4:57 pm)Joods Wrote:

(May 7, 2018 at 4:51 pm)Hammy Wrote: No it bloody well wasn't. Period. Neo just said that he reasons from faith and not to faith so I was commenting on how ridiculous that was. What part of my post do you actually disagree with?

He answered LFC's questions to the best of his ability, based on what he knows. Again - I don't generally agree with a lot of what he posts, but he wasn't flaming or trolling anyone and he was sticking to the topic. Why do you have to be like this? I disagree with all of the parts of your post where you were being an ass when clearly, you could have handled it better.

You have no problem with being rude to other people. I answered your question. And yeah, you could have handled it better. Since this post was made, you have completely gone off your rocker with it and you've made all sorts of accusations about me that were completely unnecessary, and you blew this WAY out of proportion. Highlighted in Red below: 

(May 7, 2018 at 5:09 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(May 7, 2018 at 4:57 pm)Joods Wrote: He answered LFC's questions to the best of his ability, based on what he knows. Again - I don't generally agree with a lot of what he posts, but he wasn't flaming or trolling anyone and he was sticking to the topic. Why do you have to be like this? I disagree with all of the parts of your post where you were being an ass when clearly, you could have handled it better.

I wasn't flaming or trolling anyone

I never said you did. I just didn't like your rather harsh assessment of his answers. 

Quote:and I was sticking to the topic as well. How was I being an ass?

You were an ass because you could have handled how you responded to his answers better. 

Quote:I was talking about how ridiculous he was being. I don't think I even insulted him in that post?!

Go back and read it. You insulted him all over the place. You discounted his thoughts and his feelings and called him irrational. How are those not insults? 

Quote:WTF. What's wrong with you?

Nothing is wrong with me. I simply commented on your post, which I felt crossed a line. If you can't handle that, perhaps a forum isn't the place for you. 

Quote:What's your obsession with reading all these imaginary intentions into me?

How do you come to the conclusion that after reading ONE post, that I have an obsession? Your own words betray you as your intentions are made clear by them. 

Quote:I was laughing at how irrational he was being and explaining why he's being incredibly irrational. What's wrong with that?

Laughing at someone else's words when they are genuinely answering a question, is wrong. You mocking him continually for those answers is also wrong. Clearly you lack the social skills necessary to understand this. 

Quote:I put him in The Hall of Shame because that's what the Hall of Shame is for.

And that's all fine and well but it was the way in which you did it. Sadly, even tho I highlighted it in red above, your mind will never be able to process that, sometimes, it's not what you say, it's HOW you say them that can hurt. In this instance, it was both. 

Quote:I can't understand people sometimes.

Then perhaps before you continue posting in forums, you should learn the proper social skills necessary. Especially in the area of being able to handle it when people don't always agree with you or find you the most interesting person in the room. 

Quote:WTF. He said he faith is reasoned from and not to. I ranted about how irrational that was and explained why it was irrational and your response was to ignore all my actual points and just call me an ass?

There it is. You ranted. It wasn't necessary to go on your little "rant". You could have just stuck to the talking points. Instead of being an ass about it. And no - I didn't ignore your points because you basically made one point - several times over to the point it was redundant. 

Quote:We don't disagree and you're just imagining intentions in me that do not exist, once again. I'm sick of it.

Looks like you're the one imagining intentions. I've made a total of two posts. One to address the absurdity of your first post and the second one to answer your question put to me. If you continue to read more into what's there - then that's your problem. I am only responsible for what I say. Not what you choose to understand. 

Quote:It's just like all those times you've called me a liar when I'm the complete opposite to that.

All of what times? Again - projecting much? 

Quote:This discussion was a discussion until you pretended like I had some sort of malicious motive or I was being an ass. I was being rude, but I wasn't trolling or flaming and there's no polite way to laugh at someone for admitting that their belief in an imaginary friend isn't based on reason.

So you were intentionally laughing at someone else for their answer to an honest question. And you wonder why I called you an ass. 

Quote:I've seen you make similar posts to the post you just had a problem with yourself elsewhere. Hypocrite much?

Prove it. And prove that any post I did make wasn't in defense of something that was already said AT me - not because they were answering sincere questions. 

Quote:Your objection to me was an irrelevant digression and a false accusation that I was trying to do shit I wasn't trying to do.

You literally just admitted to laughing at Neo for his responses. No false accusation there. Just your inability to be genuine in wanting to engage in decent discussion. Which, btw, you can't have if you are mocking someone for their answers and calling them names. Which, btw, proves my point in my first post. 

Quote:What the fuck is your problem with always telling me what I'm trying to do?

You asked me a question. I answered it. I'd like to see some proof that I'm always telling you what your trying to do. Projection much?

Quote:I was just saying what I think and if you keep seeing in me malicious intentions that don't exist that says a lot more about you than me.

First of all, I too was saying what I thought. Evidently you are the only person allowed to do that. Second of all - point out specifically where I stated that your intentions were "malicious". You are letting this get so far out of hand it's pathetic. 

Quote:See what's happened now?

Yes. I do. You are going off the rails over two posts that I made, voicing my opinion and then answering you. You have gone completely bat shit crazy. Watching you unravel is like watching a bad movie get progressively worse, but I can't leave because I need to see how it ends. 

Quote:Because you HAD to do what you always do when I speak my mind... make up shit about what I'm supposedly trying to do when I'm not actually trying to do any such thing at all.

Wow. That came out of left field. Anyone can read your posts and make determinations for themselves. Clearly you are the one making up shit and letting this stress you out. It was two posts that did no harm to you. Get over it already.

Quote:The only one shitting on this thread here is you.

I never said you were shitting on the thread. I simply expressed my thoughts. You need to grow some tougher skin and learn to not read so much into what people write. 

Quote:Ugh. I shouldn't have even responded to your bullshit but if you're going to make up bullshit about me and falsely accuse me of causing trouble when I'm just participating on the thread what the fuck am I supposed to say?

1. What "bullshit" did I make up about you? I took YOU OWN WORDS IN YOUR OWN THREAD and pointed out how you could have handled your response to Neo, better. 

2. Show proof that I have accused you of causing trouble. Because you are totally being disingenuous when you say this. I get the sense that you are just angry and hurt because I didn't agree with your assessment of Neo's post. Well suck it up, buttercup. I don't always have to agree with what you write. 

Quote:If anyone said anything designed to hinder further discussion it was fucking YOU when you pulled the false accusation that I was doing that straight out of your ass when all I did was literally EXPLAIN WHY I thought Neo's answer was ridiculously irrational. You're going back on ignore because I'm not prepared to defend myself from false accusations from you all over again.

All of this ranting because of my post to you above. All of this projecting because I didn't agree with you. All of this non-sense because you can't appropriately respond when someone disagrees with you. Sad. Just so very sad.

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(May 7, 2018 at 8:20 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(May 7, 2018 at 5:17 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

...Huh? Do you mean because of Joods making up irrelevant and false bullshit about me and my intentions, that had absolutely nothing to do with the thread, when I just participated on the thread like everybody else did?

emphasis mine. 

More martyrdom. More attention getting posts because you clearly can't handle posting in a forum where there are bound to be differing of opinions.

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