(May 13, 2018 at 4:04 am)Kit Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 4:04 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is almost exactly what we are talking about right now.  Suppression of ID using manipulation tactics on scientists.  Black list scientists,.....

Not even close.  Grow up.

Truth denier.

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(May 13, 2018 at 4:05 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 7:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The different charts,.., are interesting to me.  I learn stuff to along the way.  My main point though on DNA stands as proof of design based on DNA information and fine-tuning of the universe.

Cool!
Can we agree that throughout the ages there has indeed been an evolution of all life?

Depends on your definition of evolution.  If you mean there has been some adaptations within a genus then yes, there has been evolution throughout the ages.

(May 13, 2018 at 4:09 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 4:04 am)Kit Wrote: Not even close.  Grow up.

Truth denier.

Fiction enabler.

(May 13, 2018 at 4:11 am)Kit Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 4:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: Truth denier.

Fiction enabler.

You are just as bad as the horrendous systems I named earlier since you knowingly are denying the truth.

(May 13, 2018 at 4:17 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 4:11 am)Kit Wrote: Fiction enabler.

You are just as bad as the horrendous systems I named earlier since you knowingly are denying the truth.

Denying what you consider to be truth is not denying the truth. Subjectivity, learn it.

(May 12, 2018 at 11:21 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: I read the Bible cover to cover and study it frequently.  The accusations you make are not warranted.  God allows evil to happen but He is not the author of evil, satan is.  You are just a hater of God.

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Really? Then you agree that genocide, slavery, incest, human sacrifice and gross injustice are "moral"? Because bible god endorses all of those.
Therefore you must endorse them also. It's in your holey babble. Did you not notice? Do you want me to quote chapter and verse? Because I can if you wish. I have not so far, because I assumed you had read the risible fantasy, but apparently you have not. Say the word. I am good to go being apparently better versed in what the bible actually says as opposed to the cherry picked fragments you chose to "study".

(May 12, 2018 at 10:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: That is not a fact.  They could have met.

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They could not have been the biblical adam and eve. I posted an article that explained why. I guess he missed that.

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(May 13, 2018 at 4:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: [quote='Kit' pid='1754918' dateline='1526198698']

Not even close.  Grow up.

Truth denier.

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(May 13, 2018 at 4:05 am)pocaracas Wrote: Cool!
Can we agree that throughout the ages there has indeed been an evolution of all life?

Depends on your definition of evolution.  If you mean there has been some adaptations within a genus then yes, there has been evolution throughout the ages.

Small adaptations and large amounts of time lead to.....anybody , anybody.....large changes.

(May 12, 2018 at 9:10 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 9:07 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I am not my brother's keeper. He can go do as he desires. Nevertheless, the take-away from that is that you are bereft of any thought of your own, you simply vomit that which you are instructed to think.

Not sure what you mean by this.

It is simple. Is slavery, owning other people as property, morally right or morally wrong? Most everyone would answer that it is morally wrong. Except the bible and its followers. The bible not only endorses it but provides rules for how to do it. 

You, I hope, would reject owning people as property straight out. However, you have rejected your own morality in favour of a shabby book which instructs you to think that it is moral to own slaves and beat them to within an inch of their lives. 

You have turned off your own brain, your own morality, and put the crappy book in charge. It is really disgusting.

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(May 12, 2018 at 9:20 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: No it did not . Expelled was a deceptive propaganda film that demonstrated just how dishonest and desperate creationist are to peddle their religious dogma . 

ID is the attempt by creationist to repackage dead religious dogma in the guise of science .It's been exposed six ways from sunday as the package of bullshit it is . 


Bullocks ID has no truths it's built of deception and distortion and nothing more . It's built on a foundation of fallacy and lies . And not only has REAL science faced it it's kicked it''s ass .

Keep telling yourself that and believe the BS you are being fed.  You are brainwashed.

Said the brainwashed sheep mindlessly following a deluded shepherd.

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(May 12, 2018 at 9:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: With this much proof and evidence in your face, atheist should be more careful with their beliefs.  

Should they? What is it that you think "atheists" believe? By definition, atheism is a lack of belief. It is a privative. Bet you have to google that.

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(May 12, 2018 at 9:41 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 9:39 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Appeal to consequences


Argument from emotion . 

Yest more fallacies 

I heard one story of a high school kid who read a book from Michael Shermer I believe.  It was found under his bed after he shot himself in the head after completing the book.  He was a young high school kid so he did not have the intelligence to argue back against the atheist arguments in the book and he took his own life over it.  What a shame when some basic knowledge of DNA could have cleared this all up for him and possibly saved his life.

Oh really? Anecdotes do not equal evidence. How about something we do have evidence for? Andrea Yates. killed her 5 children to fast track them into your heaven.

(May 12, 2018 at 8:52 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Again, there is no way a blind undirected process could develop the information bearing properties contain in DNA.

No one said that 'blind undirected process' was involved. That doesn't mean to say that it was directed. Things can self organise. Snow flakes are the classic example. Neither designed nor a product of pure chance. So assuming you are also asserting that self-organisation cannot produce the 'information bearing properties' in DNA, which you are if you believe in ID then first point is:

Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

So you would need to provide a mechanism stopping self organisation from creating a system that processes and contains information. You would also need to define what information is and also provide evidence of this mechanism.

Although what you have asserted is a valid scientific hypothesis because it is falsifiable. We could theoretically create a self organising process that does encode information in DNA.

This is a work in progress Development of an artificial cell, from self organization to computation and self-reproduction

If we can do this (and we eventually will if we haven't done it already) then your statement is false.

In the meantime, we can create other self-organising systems that do process and store information. This is what I am working on right now with the intention of publishing in a peer reviewed conference next year. I am working to determine exactly which point information processing starts in a complex self organised system and why.

(May 12, 2018 at 10:29 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Then you have failed 


Nope not all atheists are moral relativists many are moral realists . And theistic morality is utter garbage .  


No it didn't . Nazism was a system that held to moral objectivity and traditionalism . The Nazi did not say in their opinion it was okay to kill the jews . They said it was a an objective moral imperative that the jews die . And most Nazis were theists and Germany was highly religious .And most of the Nazi's attrocites were right at home in theistic circles .

They were into the occult and into survival of the fittest trying to build an improved world by killing those that were sick or had some kind of conditions.  That is what I am referring to.

The bible supports that.

(May 13, 2018 at 2:57 am)Kit Wrote: Interesting that it's a movie, not a documentary.  Isn't it?

Well they had to remove the documentatry tags because of all the lying and misquoting Stein was doing. One of his favourite tricks was to severely edit interviews with scientists who disagreed with his creatardism to makit look like they were agreeing with him, or disagreeing for no good reason.

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On another note I'd like to propose a creatardism mega thread where we can shove stuff like what Mr Inquision and his ilk post into a dark corner to die. It's the least cruel option.

(May 13, 2018 at 5:26 am)Wololo Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 2:57 am)Kit Wrote: Interesting that it's a movie, not a documentary.  Isn't it?

Well they had to remove the documentatry tags because of all the lying and misquoting Stein was doing.  One of his favourite tricks was to severely edit interviews with scientists who disagreed with his creatardism to makit look like they were agreeing with him, or disagreeing for no good reason.

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On another note I'd like to propose a creatardism mega thread where we can shove stuff like what Mr Inquision and his ilk post into a dark corner to die.  It's the least cruel option.

No, I prefer to shine the light of reason on creatards, They should have their nonsense exposed front and center.