@CDF47, you're an american and a believer in the Christian God.

Can you imagine in which god you'd believe had you been born in Saudi Arabia?.... How about India? China? Russia? Somalia? Which would be the most likely go for you to believe in each of these places of the world?

(May 16, 2018 at 12:58 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Behe?

You may as well cite Ken Ham as an expert on dinosaurs.

Behe and his organisation couldn't even convince a conservative Christian judge that ID wasn't creationism by another name!

It's science. Court case was BS.

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(May 16, 2018 at 2:11 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 15, 2018 at 6:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I believe in the fall of man.  I believe in the Christian God of the Bible.  We are designed to grow old and die and be flawed.

Woah! You mean Adam and Eve were designed to be flawed before they ate the apple? So there was no choice in doing so then and your god deliberately set up a system whereby billions of people would suffer in Hell for eternity? Your god is amazingly evil.

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(May 15, 2018 at 6:49 pm)CDF47 Wrote: A software engineer know it takes a programmer to write a code.  They see a code in DNA and know it didn't write itself.  It's that intuitive.

As I said before multiple times now, it is possible to evolve code without having to program it. You really don't take anything in do you?

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(May 15, 2018 at 10:45 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Sure, it;s amazing, but its not god jiggling levers or inserting genes or structures.  God, if there is a god..is clearly bigger than that. 

Not according to CDF47. God apparently designs each new snowflake falling around the world when he could easily have all snowflakes the same.

Think about how many snowflakes there are being formed and falling in the world at any one time.

Not before they ate the apple, I said after the fall of man.  Also, there is a possibility that hell and the unrighteous are destroyed (annililationism) which I think might be true.  

The machine to right the code on and the advanced code does not write itself.  I had computer programming class in engineering school and I always had to write the programs myself.

God is providential over the universe and He is all powerful and all knowing.  Think of a computer that can count the stats of anything you would like it to just by programming it in.  Similarly, God knows all in the true reality.

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(May 16, 2018 at 3:59 am)pocaracas Wrote: @CDF47, you're an american and a believer in the Christian God.

Can you imagine in which god you'd believe had you been born in Saudi Arabia?.... How about India? China? Russia? Somalia? Which would be the most likely go for you to believe in each of these places of the world?

It was God's will that I would receive the gift of faith in my lifetime.  I then make the free will choice to accept His amazing free gift of salvation.

(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: It was God's will that I would receive the gift of faith in my lifetime.  I then make the free will choice to accept His amazing free gift of salvation.

So it follows the it is your gods will that a child born in Saudi Arabia was intentionally refused that same gift by that same god.

How very...christian of you.

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(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: God is providential over the universe and He is all powerful and all knowing. 

Then your in directly conflict with your bible which says he isn't. That makes you a heretic.

(May 15, 2018 at 6:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 15, 2018 at 8:36 am)mh.brewer Wrote: CFD47, why did your designer incorporate defects?

We are designed to grow old and die and be flawed.

(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 2:11 am)Mathilda Wrote: Woah! You mean Adam and Eve were designed to be flawed before they ate the apple?

Not before they ate the apple, I said after the fall of man. 

So your god planted an apple in the garden of Eden that deliberately redesigned Adam and Eve to be flawed if they ate it.

Why would he do that?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:02 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: It was God's will that I would receive the gift of faith in my lifetime.  I then make the free will choice to accept His amazing free gift of salvation.

So it follows the it is your gods will that a child born in Saudi Arabia was intentionally refused that same gift by that same god.

How very...christian of you.

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(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: God is providential over the universe and He is all powerful and all knowing. 

Then your in directly conflict with your bible which says he isn't. That makes you a heretic.

Below is a really good article on those that have not heard the word of the gospel and their potential salvation:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics...heard.html

He is the alpha and the omega; the beginning and the end, He is the Lord.  I am not a heretic. The power of the Lord described in Scripture (https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_all_powerful).

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(May 16, 2018 at 7:11 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 15, 2018 at 6:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: We are designed to grow old and die and be flawed.

(May 16, 2018 at 6:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: Not before they ate the apple, I said after the fall of man. 

So your god planted an apple in the garden of Eden that deliberately redesigned Adam and Eve to be flawed if they ate it.

Why would he do that?

They had a free will choice to obey God or not.  They chose to disobey God and the fall of man occurred.

How can you design something to be flawed anyway? Flaws by definition are unintentional.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:25 am)Mathilda Wrote: How can you design something to be flawed anyway? Flaws by definition are unintentional.

I guess it would be more accurate to say designed to decay over time and die.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:02 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So it follows the it is your gods will that a child born in Saudi Arabia was intentionally refused that same gift by that same god.

How very...christian of you.

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Then your in directly conflict with your bible which says he isn't. That makes you a heretic.

Below is a really good article on those that have not heard the word of the gospel and their potential salvation:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics...heard.html

So you really think SA muslims have not heard of your god and your bible and reject them?
hdo you know that?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: the beginning and the end; He is the Lord.

How do you know that?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: I am not a heretic.

Genesis explicitly states that your god is not omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient. You are a heretic.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:30 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: Below is a really good article on those that have not heard the word of the gospel and their potential salvation:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics...heard.html

So you really think SA muslims have not heard of your god and your bible and reject them?
hdo you know that?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: the beginning and the end; He is the Lord.

How do you know that?

(May 16, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: I am not a heretic.

Genesis explicitly states that your god is not omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient. You are a heretic.

If they heard of the Lord and reject Him then they are lost.

I have faith, that is how I know.  It is stated in Scripture.  The power of the Lord is stated here (https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_is_all_powerful).  I have had religious experience as well which I choose to keep personal so please do not ask.  I also have science which shows the mind boggling complexity of the creation from DNA to the fine-tuned universe.

Where in Genesis does it state that?  I am not a heretic.

(May 16, 2018 at 7:35 am)CDF47 Wrote: universe.

Where in Genesis does it state that?  I am not a heretic.

Haven't you read it? I have. Genesis makes it very clear.

Do you need chapter and verse? Because if I must provide those, and I can, it will make it very clear that you have not read it.