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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 9:45 am
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(May 31, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: My question: Does merely believing in the validity of such research make a person a racist? Is there any objection to this being taught at schools or universities? For the record, I belong to one of the intellectually inferior races, so I may be being a little slow...
That depends on why you believe in their validity.
Is it because you’ve equipped yourself with the background and experience to assess the quality of data and the validity of the methodology?
Is it because you’ve surveyed the professional view?
Is it because it appear to support to your personal impression formed from your own interactions?
Is it because it support the assertions of some one whom you wish to emulate?
It is because treating it as valid is more satisfying?
(June 1, 2018 at 7:43 am)ignoramus Wrote: He?
Yeah Jor, grow some cahunas and answer him! 
Won’t need them to answer him.
(May 31, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: East Asians: 105
Whites: 99
South Asians / North Africans: 84
Africans: 70
Is it possible to identify a clear and substantial subgroup inside the larger group identified above as East Asians that would have average IQ of 70? Similarly a clear and substantial subgroup inside the larger African group that would have an average IQ of 105?
If so, how is classifying intelligence by the above racial groupings valid?
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 10:05 am
It reminds me of the age old argument that if women were good at doing X then they would be doing it. For example, doing science, running companies etc. The argument of course ignores the fact that there can be many cultural reasons stopping women from exploiting their own potential or even contemplating entering such a career. For example because of a lack of role models, lack of encouragement, lack of opportunities. And when women are given a chance (e.g. in biology) then they perform equally well.
If you really want to properly test whether there is any inherent (i.e. genetic) difference in intellect between the races then you would need to take a very large number of mothers from each race, and from conception to birth have them in a uniform environment with access to the same living standard so diet, stress, pollution and sunlight were not a factor in the development of the fetus. Then you would have to take the babies from the mothers so cultural upbringing was not a factor and provide equal opportunities and equivalent education to each baby. Then you would have to test them extensively using more than just IQ tests.
Somehow I can't see an ethics committee being happy with such an experiment.
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 10:20 am
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(June 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 31, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: East Asians: 105
Whites: 99
South Asians / North Africans: 84
Africans: 70
Is it possible to identify a clear and substantial subgroup inside the larger group identified above as East Asians that would have average IQ of 70? Similarly a clear and substantial subgroup inside the larger African group that would have an average IQ of 105?
If so, how is classifying intelligence by the above racial groupings valid?
That's easy! Just pick one East Asian with an IQ of 70 and one African with an IQ of 105.
Unfortunately, that doesn't invalidate anything.
(June 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 31, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: My question: Does merely believing in the validity of such research make a person a racist? Is there any objection to this being taught at schools or universities? For the record, I belong to one of the intellectually inferior races, so I may be being a little slow...
That depends on why you believe in their validity.
Is it because you’ve equipped yourself with the background and experience to assess the quality of data and the validity of the methodology?
Is it because you’ve surveyed the professional view?
Is it because it appear to support to your personal impression formed from your own interactions?
Is it because it support the assertions of some one whom you wish to emulate?
It is because treating it as valid is more satisfying?
It's mainly because I'm not in the habit of refuting scientific theories (like evolution) even if the implications are unpalatable.
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 10:28 am
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(June 1, 2018 at 10:20 am)Alexmahone Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Is it possible to identify a clear and substantial subgroup inside the larger group identified above as East Asians that would have average IQ of 70? Similarly a clear and substantial subgroup inside the larger African group that would have an average IQ of 105?
If so, how is classifying intelligence by the above racial groupings valid?
That's easy! Just pick one East Asian with an IQ of 70 and one African with an IQ of 105.
Unfortunately, that doesn't invalidate anything.
No. Not cherry picked individuals. Is there any substantial and otherwise identifiable groupings within each of the above racial classifications that exhibit evidence of significant and heritable average IQ differences from the average calculated for that racial group.
If there is, than race is not a most meaningful grouping for the purpose.
(June 1, 2018 at 10:20 am)Alexmahone Wrote:
(June 1, 2018 at 9:45 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: That depends on why you believe in their validity.
Is it because you’ve equipped yourself with the background and experience to assess the quality of data and the validity of the methodology?
Is it because you’ve surveyed the professional view?
Is it because it appear to support to your personal impression formed from your own interactions?
Is it because it support the assertions of some one whom you wish to emulate?
It is because treating it as valid is more satisfying?
It's mainly because I'm not in the habit of refuting scientific theories (like evolution) even if the implications are unpalatable.
Why? Science is all about refuting scientific theories. Only when everything that can reasonably and soundly be done to refute a theory has been done, and the theory still somehow remains unrefuted, could the theory be grudgingly and conditionally accepted.
That is what distinguish real science from faith, religion or pseudoscience.
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 10:37 am
(June 1, 2018 at 10:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 10:20 am)Alexmahone Wrote: That's easy! Just pick one East Asian with an IQ of 70 and one African with an IQ of 105.
Unfortunately, that doesn't invalidate anything.
No. Not cherry picked individuals. Is there any substantial and otherwise identifiable groupings within each of the above racial classifications that exhibit evidence of significant and heritable average IQ differences from the average calculated for that racial group.
Sorry, didn't see the "substantial". I suppose you could take the bottom x% of East Asians and the top y% of Africans.
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 10:39 am
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(June 1, 2018 at 10:37 am)Alexmahone Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 10:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: No. Not cherry picked individuals. Is there any substantial and otherwise identifiable groupings within each of the above racial classifications that exhibit evidence of significant and heritable average IQ differences from the average calculated for that racial group.
Sorry, didn't see the "substantial". I suppose you could take the bottom x% of East Asians and the top y% of Africans.
No, groupings based on selection criteria other than contribution towards hitting the average measured value you are aiming for.
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 10:51 am
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Say, poor east asians, or affluent africans? While we're at it, whats the margin of error or deviation on the testing protocol used?
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 11:04 am
(June 1, 2018 at 10:51 am)Khemikal Wrote: While we're at it, whats the margin of error or deviation on the testing protocol used?
1 or 2 IQ points.
Remember the values are averaged over an entire race.
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 11:05 am
(June 1, 2018 at 11:04 am)Alexmahone Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 10:51 am)Khemikal Wrote: While we're at it, whats the margin of error or deviation on the testing protocol used?
1 or 2 IQ points.
Remember the values are averaged over an entire race.
Entire race?
Where does one race end and another begin?
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RE: Race and IQs
June 1, 2018 at 11:05 am
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You mean, if i took the test ten times..my score would only deviate 1 or 2 points? That seems dubious.
-and the differential in affluent and poor groups within the larger subset? What does that look like?
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