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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 7:18 pm
(June 1, 2018 at 7:14 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: If you believe things having information proves a designer, why even bother with DNA, everything has information, why not present rocks as your proof? This is classic watchmaker, we recognize things that are designed by contrasting them with things that occur naturally, if everything is designed then you cannot use "information" as your evidence because you don't have anything naturally occurring to compare it to see if it lacks information.
This is information is advanced, functional, encoding, and highly sophisticated as it programs the construction of molecular machines.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 7:21 pm
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Not that it matters, even agreeing with you........................
-and that;s the problem.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 7:23 pm
(June 1, 2018 at 7:21 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Not that it matters, even agreeing with you........................
-and that;s the problem.
You agree with me?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 7:43 pm
(June 1, 2018 at 7:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 7:14 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: If you believe things having information proves a designer, why even bother with DNA, everything has information, why not present rocks as your proof? This is classic watchmaker, we recognize things that are designed by contrasting them with things that occur naturally, if everything is designed then you cannot use "information" as your evidence because you don't have anything naturally occurring to compare it to see if it lacks information.
This is information is advanced, functional, encoding, and highly sophisticated as it programs the construction of molecular machines.
It doesn't really matter how special you think it is, what matters is can you show the design, can you show us what a non-designed person would like? How do I know what your telling me can't naturally occur.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 7:48 pm
(June 1, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 7:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote: This is information is advanced, functional, encoding, and highly sophisticated as it programs the construction of molecular machines.
It doesn't really matter how special you think it is, what matters is can you show the design, can you show us what a non-designed person would like? How do I know what your telling me can't naturally occur.
Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air. It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 7:54 pm
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(June 1, 2018 at 7:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: It doesn't really matter how special you think it is, what matters is can you show the design, can you show us what a non-designed person would like? How do I know what your telling me can't naturally occur.
Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air. It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.
Well that was a waste of time.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 8:00 pm
(June 1, 2018 at 7:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: It doesn't really matter how special you think it is, what matters is can you show the design, can you show us what a non-designed person would like? How do I know what your telling me can't naturally occur.
Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air. It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.
But a God you can? If your hypocrisy were a fart, the planet wouldn't need nuclear weapons.
The only thing coming out of "thin air" is human imagination, and not just you, and not just your religion.
If you think the writings of antiquity demonstrate any modern knowledge of the world, then sorry, no polite way to put it, you look silly.
How many other religions of the world have you debated? You stupidly think they don't think they got it right and you got it wrong? 7 billion humans and ony Christians have a patent on science proving Jesus? Your sample rate sucks.
My rational brain, in it's current lucid state, knowing what modern science has provided as fact, will not allow me to swallow the old mythology of antiquity.
Nobody can legally stop you from swallowing that tripe, no, but you are barking up the wrong tree here.
Many of us were born at night, but none of us were born last night.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 8:01 pm
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(June 1, 2018 at 7:54 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 7:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air. It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.
Well that was a waste of time.
It is functional information. Just like a computer requires a programmer to perform functions, this system requires a higher level programmer. However, the extreme complexity and specificity of this information is so incredible, it is hard to even fathom. A Super Designer or Super-Intelligence is required.
(June 1, 2018 at 8:00 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 7:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air. It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.
But a God you can? If your hypocrisy were a fart, the planet wouldn't need nuclear weapons.
The only thing coming out of "thin air" is human imagination, and not just you, and not just your religion.
If you think the writings of antiquity demonstrate any modern knowledge of the world, then sorry, no polite way to put it, you look silly.
How many other religions of the world have you debated? You stupidly think they don't think they got it right and you got it wrong? 7 billion humans and ony Christians have a patent on science proving Jesus? Your sample rate sucks.
My rational brain, in it's current lucid state, knowing what modern science has provided as fact, will not allow me to swallow the old mythology of antiquity.
Nobody can legally stop you from swallowing that tripe, no, but you are barking up the wrong tree here.
Many of us were born at night, but none of us were born last night.
The information comes from a super-intelligence beyond what we can even fathom. Science ends there. It is time to look at theology at this point.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 8:05 pm
(June 1, 2018 at 8:01 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 7:54 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: Well that was a waste of time.
It is functional information. Just like a computer requires a programmer to perform functions, this system requires a higher level programmer. However, the extreme complexity and specificity of this information is so incredible, it is hard to even fathom. A Super Designer or Super-Intelligence is required.
(June 1, 2018 at 8:00 pm)Brian37 Wrote: But a God you can? If your hypocrisy were a fart, the planet wouldn't need nuclear weapons.
The only thing coming out of "thin air" is human imagination, and not just you, and not just your religion.
If you think the writings of antiquity demonstrate any modern knowledge of the world, then sorry, no polite way to put it, you look silly.
How many other religions of the world have you debated? You stupidly think they don't think they got it right and you got it wrong? 7 billion humans and ony Christians have a patent on science proving Jesus? Your sample rate sucks.
My rational brain, in it's current lucid state, knowing what modern science has provided as fact, will not allow me to swallow the old mythology of antiquity.
Nobody can legally stop you from swallowing that tripe, no, but you are barking up the wrong tree here.
Many of us were born at night, but none of us were born last night.
The information comes from a super-intelligence beyond what we can even fathom. Science ends there. It is time to look at theology at this point.
By this fucked up logic lightening requires Thor. By this fucked up logic Hurricanes require the ocean God Poseidon
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 1, 2018 at 8:09 pm
(June 1, 2018 at 8:05 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (June 1, 2018 at 8:01 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It is functional information. Just like a computer requires a programmer to perform functions, this system requires a higher level programmer. However, the extreme complexity and specificity of this information is so incredible, it is hard to even fathom. A Super Designer or Super-Intelligence is required.
The information comes from a super-intelligence beyond what we can even fathom. Science ends there. It is time to look at theology at this point.
By this fucked up logic lightening requires Thor. By this fucked up logic Hurricanes require the ocean God Poseidon
Wrong. The universe and everything in it looks designed because it is designed. We infer design all the time. Just here it is really easy to infer design, unless one cannot see.
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