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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 9:23 am
(June 13, 2018 at 9:14 am)Khemikal Wrote: Road, the christian right keeps suing in the hope that they will be granted the right to discriminate against gays. I take it that;s not what you want, but it is what they want., and it makes you look like an idiot, or a slimy peice of shit..the more you deny this basic fact of the matter.
You keep ignoring what those legal matters are about, and inserting a false narrative in it’s place. If you can not tolerate someone with another idea, then it is you who are the bigot. Keep on proving my point. I appreciate the demonstration that this is not a straw man.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 9:32 am
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A shop with a sign that says 'no gays' is slightly preferable to a shop without such a sign that tells you they won't serve you after you walk in because they don't approve of your choice of wedding partner. Personally, I'd like to know which businesses are run by people who discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, if they're in a state where they are allowed to do so.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 9:35 am
(June 13, 2018 at 9:32 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: A shop with a sign that says 'no gays' is slightly preferable to a shop without such a sign that tells you they won't serve you after you walk in because they don't approve of your choice of wedding partner. Personally, I'd like to know which businesses are run by people who discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, if they're in a state where they are allowed to do so.
So you want your right to discriminate and be predjudice, but not give others the same right?
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 9:38 am
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That is exactly what the christian right is looking to purchase, yes. They certainly don;t want to lose their civil rights to people who consider them an abomination, they just don;t much care for the civil rights of people they consider to -be- abominations.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 9:44 am
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(June 13, 2018 at 9:23 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 13, 2018 at 9:14 am)Khemikal Wrote: Road, the christian right keeps suing in the hope that they will be granted the right to discriminate against gays. I take it that;s not what you want, but it is what they want., and it makes you look like an idiot, or a slimy peice of shit..the more you deny this basic fact of the matter.
You keep ignoring what those legal matters are about, and inserting a false narrative in it’s place. If you can not tolerate someone with another idea, then it is you who are the bigot. Keep on proving my point. I appreciate the demonstration that this is not a straw man.
Tolerating someone with a different idea in no way involves agreeing with them or withholding your thoughts about their ideas. People deserve tolerance, not ideas. Ideas should be scrutinized thoroughly and discarded if they don't stand up to critical examination. You're not asking for tolerance, you're asking for no one to say anything that might hurt your fee fees.
(June 13, 2018 at 9:35 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (June 13, 2018 at 9:32 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: A shop with a sign that says 'no gays' is slightly preferable to a shop without such a sign that tells you they won't serve you after you walk in because they don't approve of your choice of wedding partner. Personally, I'd like to know which businesses are run by people who discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, if they're in a state where they are allowed to do so.
So you want your right to discriminate and be predjudice, but not give others the same right?
Are you high on something right now?
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 10:38 am
(June 13, 2018 at 9:44 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (June 13, 2018 at 9:23 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You keep ignoring what those legal matters are about, and inserting a false narrative in it’s place. If you can not tolerate someone with another idea, then it is you who are the bigot. Keep on proving my point. I appreciate the demonstration that this is not a straw man.
Tolerating someone with a different idea in no way involves agreeing with them or withholding your thoughts about their ideas. People deserve tolerance, not ideas. Ideas should be scrutinized thoroughly and discarded if they don't stand up to critical examination. You're not asking for tolerance, you're asking for no one to say anything that might hurt your fee fees.
(June 13, 2018 at 9:35 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So you want your right to discriminate and be predjudice, but not give others the same right?
Are you high on something right now?
To answer your last question first, I am sober and clear thinking. Did I misunderstand, that you only want the information, and would not discriminate against a store which has a sign which says “no gays allowed”?
I would agree, that we should be allowed to criticize and disagree with others. And believing that someone is wrong, is not being intolerant. This would largely be my point against those who carelessly and thoughtlessly throw around the term bigot as an emotional polemic, when it is untrue. I have been thinking about a post to Facebook lately though. I think that the tendency to want to boycott, destroy and have fired; those who you disagree with; is getting out of hand, and is not good for a free society. This is very much becoming bigotry and is happening on both sides of a number of issues.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 10:39 am
(June 13, 2018 at 10:38 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Did I misunderstand, that you only want the information, and would not discriminate against a store which has a sign which says “no gays allowed”?
Of course you misunderstood, and wildly so.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 10:43 am
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You cant discriminate against a store. Stores have no civil rights. Nor is the refusal to grant the owner your patronage discrimination, but it;s telling how quick you are to equate that with civil rights abuse while dodging actual civil rights abuse by any means, lol. Both sides! Both sides! Both sides! Both sides what...do the thing you swear the christian right isn;t doing.....?
The latter is how you act in accordance with the conscience that christian bigots are always droning on about. So..don;t like gays, don;t go to their stores. Is buying from them okay but selling isn;t? Don;t like gay marriage..don;t get gay married. So simple. The thing you can;t do..if you are in the business of selling cakes, is refuse to sell a cake whenever the purchaser happens to be gay.
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 10:43 am
Road can't seem to get his mind around the basic concept of civil rights . Too much fundie juice .
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RE: Supreme Court Rules In Favor Of Colorado Baker
June 13, 2018 at 10:44 am
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(June 13, 2018 at 10:43 am)Khemikal Wrote: You cant discriminate against a store. Stores have no civil rights. Nor is the refusal to grant the owner your patronage discrimination, lol.
I don’t think you know what discriminate means!
And wouldn’t your reasoning also apply to a wedding?
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