And FYI were still not claiming theists are wrong .

(June 28, 2018 at 6:16 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: And FYI were still not claiming theists are wrong .

Well, I am. 

But that's just me.

(June 28, 2018 at 6:17 pm)Kit Wrote:

(June 28, 2018 at 6:16 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: And FYI were still not claiming theists are wrong .

Well, I am. 

But that's just me.

Yeah but are claiming it positively or are you claiming the theists simply have not put forth a case that works . (wihich not the same as saying they are wrong )

(June 28, 2018 at 6:19 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(June 28, 2018 at 6:17 pm)Kit Wrote: Well, I am.  ;)

But that's just me.

Yeah but are claiming it positively or are you claiming the theists simply have not put forth a case that works . (wihich not the same as saying they are wrong )

I claim it positively, which I have no problem doing as an anti-theist.  My arguments support my positive claim when I go that route, though.

(June 28, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Kit Wrote:

(June 28, 2018 at 6:19 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yeah but are claiming it positively or are you claiming the theists simply have not put forth a case that works . (wihich not the same as saying they are wrong )

I claim it positively, which I have no problem doing as an anti-theist.  My arguments support my positive claim when I go that route, though.

Okay just wanted to know 

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(June 28, 2018 at 6:20 pm)Kit Wrote:

(June 28, 2018 at 6:19 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Yeah but are claiming it positively or are you claiming the theists simply have not put forth a case that works . (wihich not the same as saying they are wrong )

I claim it positively, which I have no problem doing as an anti-theist.  My arguments support my positive claim when I go that route, though.

But i will point out as Anti Theist your position need not be epistemic. But as long as your good with it .

(June 27, 2018 at 11:06 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 10:53 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It does.  But my standard of evidence for supernatural claims like the ones in the Bible are much higher than for a claim that a powerful, rich, male celebrity took advantage of vulnerable women.  For one, I know Bill Cosby exists...

So what evidence would be sufficient to learn that something exists?  Do you think that bias effects your standards of evidence?   There is no epistemological foundation for a shifting standard of evidence. Which is why I asked if evidence matters. What type of evidence would it take?

Not ignoring this, RR.  Just working on a thoughtful response, because they’re good questions.

Quote:So what evidence would be sufficient to learn that something exists?  Do you think that bias effects your standards of evidence?   There is no epistemological foundation for a shifting standard of evidence. Which is why I asked if evidence matters. What type of evidence would it take?

1. Not my problem 
2.No
3.Yes there it's all in pattern of shift and to what . 
4.Of course it matters 
5.Not my problem

(June 28, 2018 at 9:04 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 27, 2018 at 11:06 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: So what evidence would be sufficient to learn that something exists?  Do you think that bias effects your standards of evidence?   There is no epistemological foundation for a shifting standard of evidence. Which is why I asked if evidence matters. What type of evidence would it take?

Not ignoring this, RR.  Just working on a thoughtful response, because they’re good questions.

No problem, I always appreciate a mindful response.

I claim religious theists are wrong about specific cartoon character “gods” being real. I estimate the probability of that as negligible.

I don’t claim they are wrong about there being some sort of intelligent creator (of our “universe”, not designing us specifically). I have no opinion either way on that. By create, I mean nothing more (necessarily) than setting the initial conditions.

Whenever I hear the word "pantheist" I immediately think, "yeah, pan pizza is pretty badass."