Ok first of all. Its called Social Democracy, there's a difference.

To sum it up. Social democracy is capitalism with social programs like welfare, health care. Capitalism is the main economic model, get it?

If you go with what Bernie wants, it would be more on the level of Venezuela. Meaning democratic socialism means using democracy to vote in socialism, thats it. And yes, norway is just as much socialist country as Japan is, meaning we arent. "atleast mainframe society model is not".

So i am kinda tired of this lie that we are socialist. Socialism is just as bad as fascism. Socialists are reality deniers, fascists are against the weak, they should both go out in the woods and just kiss and stay there. Problem solved. Either case liberals and conservatives are cool though

Like its also problem if you live in fantasy land to if you can or cannot do it. Norway it is possible due to how little we are also to how much immigrants we can manage and yeah. With USA i guess its a bigger population so i dont know how much of a challenge its gonna be with a safety net there.

But let me tell you this. If you truly vote communism or socialism, well prepare for the bolsheviks and drying up the economy. I mean if you think USA is bad now "I mean i dont think its terrible, think its hammed up in media and angsty people who lacks safety net" but in either case if you think its bad now, just wait til it goes all red.

Edit: One more thing. If its just a label error. Well fix it, if it was me i would not trust a guy who uses wrong label. I mean he may really be disingenous and just using countries that can sell his fantasy to vote. If he doesnt fixes this problem and if it was me i would honestly not vote for it, because if he really is gonna turn USA all red, well yeah. He may be a manipulative liar. I mean some can argue its US politician type of game where people vote on how nice cover is and not so much what is inside it. Well either way if it was me i would not do it. Sounds like a trap to me

I think you missed the election by a couple of years.

(July 30, 2018 at 8:32 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I think you missed the election by a couple of years.

He may have lost, but much of the political movement of Left wing now are trying to advocate democratic socialism in USA. Like i have two theories, either they want to see USA burn so they dont care and just vote out of desperation, i think its the latter and its ignorance. I mean i am not gonna go into conspiracy theories of "they hate america" mentality etc.

....or it's something else entirely. Or several somethings.

Ever consider it might be it might be your own ignorance keeping you from grasping that?

(July 30, 2018 at 8:35 am)KaiBerg02 Wrote:

(July 30, 2018 at 8:32 am)mh.brewer Wrote: I think you missed the election by a couple of years.

He may have lost, but much of the political movement of Left wing now are trying to advocate democratic socialism in USA. Like i have two theories, either they want to see USA burn so they dont care and just vote out of desperation, i think its the latter and its ignorance. I mean i am not gonna go into conspiracy theories of "they hate america" mentality etc.

You're preaching to the choir, but hang around for a while and you'll see we're not all lefties.

(July 30, 2018 at 8:40 am)Cathooloo Wrote: ....or it's something else entirely.  Or several somethings.

Ever consider it might be it might be your own ignorance keeping you from grasping that?

Or maybe listen to facts and not worship humans like they have all the answers. There is a joke years ago called Statheism for a reason. May be the American atheist anxiety speaking more or less.

So either Bernie isn't trying to emulate Norway, or he just got the label wrong between social democracy, and democratic socialism. I'll bet on the latter model. He campaigned on universal healthcare, a living wage, and tuition free college. Are these things that Venezuela has?

(July 30, 2018 at 8:41 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(July 30, 2018 at 8:35 am)KaiBerg02 Wrote: He may have lost, but much of the political movement of Left wing now are trying to advocate democratic socialism in USA. Like i have two theories, either they want to see USA burn so they dont care and just vote out of desperation, i think its the latter and its ignorance. I mean i am not gonna go into conspiracy theories of "they hate america" mentality etc.

You're preaching to the choir, but hang around for a while and you'll see we're not all lefties.

Have no problem with liberals neither conservatives. Like i guess it depends on issues. But its more about facts, in this case i feel Scandinavia gets really misrepresented in US populism with 2016, the ignorance of how our political systems works etc

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(July 30, 2018 at 8:52 am)Chad32 Wrote: So either Bernie isn't trying to emulate Norway, or he just got the label wrong between social democracy, and democratic socialism. I'll bet on the latter model. He campaigned on universal healthcare, a living wage, and tuition free college. Are these things that Venezuela has?

My main problem is i feel this may be a dirty set up. I mean if a guy mislabels something then something is fishy?. But considering the desperation in US media...

Well i mean its your choice but if it was me i would not honestly if the guy cannot get the labels right.

(July 30, 2018 at 8:52 am)KaiBerg02 Wrote:

(July 30, 2018 at 8:41 am)mh.brewer Wrote: You're preaching to the choir, but hang around for a while and you'll see we're not all lefties.

Have no problem with liberals neither conservatives. Like i guess it depends on issues. But its more about facts, in this case i feel Scandinavia gets really misrepresented in US populism with 2016, the ignorance of how our political systems works etc

Don't point fingers too much. You guys still have a sacred  king, right?

He has a good track record, and he runs on issues important to the people. You can call it whatever you want, in my opinion. Yeah, maybe it means he's not perfect, and he does make mistakes, but he's still better than a lot of other politicians. He's one of the best we have, for better or worse.