(August 30, 2018 at 8:10 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(August 30, 2018 at 7:30 am)mh.brewer Wrote: OP: It depends on how much LSD you have.

It's paisley right now. What stage is that?

The stage right before you see pops and flashes in between dancing music notes.

(August 30, 2018 at 8:29 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 30, 2018 at 8:10 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It's paisley right now. What stage is that?

The stage right before you see pops and flashes in between dancing music notes.

I see my cats dancing to "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict", is that the same stage?

(August 30, 2018 at 8:10 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(August 30, 2018 at 7:30 am)mh.brewer Wrote: OP: It depends on how much LSD you have.

It's paisley right now. What stage is that?

Expanding, duh.

(August 30, 2018 at 9:08 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(August 30, 2018 at 8:10 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It's paisley right now. What stage is that?

Expanding, duh.

I would have gone with "confused", but okay...

It should be noted that the sun's output will gradually increase over the next 5 billion or so years. Earth will remain habitable for only another billion years at most before it is too hot - if nothing is done. In theory, a technique called star lifting could remove much of the helium ash from the sun, lowering its mass and luminosity and greatly extending its life.

I expect to be dead by then.

Someone take notes.

(August 30, 2018 at 9:45 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: It should be noted that the sun's output will gradually increase over the next 5 billion or so years. Earth will remain habitable for only another billion years at most before it is too hot - if nothing is done. In theory, a technique called star lifting could remove much of the helium ash from the sun, lowering its mass and luminosity and greatly extending its life.

The estimate I saw say earth will remain habitable to complex animals for much less than that.   Basically in 200 million years, a threshold will be crossed where, in order to further reduce green house effect to keep up with increasing output of the sun, so much CO2 has to be removed that plant photo synthesis will become increasingly difficult.

Basically we are screwed either way. If we keep CO2 in the atmosphere, then in 200 million years the average global temperature will go up 15 degrees, and humans will literally cook without artificial air conditioning because over most of the planet surface the wet bulb temperature will exceed the human body temperature, leaving humans unable to cool off by fanning or sweating. If we reduce CO2 to levels that will keep large part of planet survivable in terms of temperature, planets will stop being able to carry on with photosynthesis.

(August 30, 2018 at 10:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(August 30, 2018 at 9:45 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: It should be noted that the sun's output will gradually increase over the next 5 billion or so years. Earth will remain habitable for only another billion years at most before it is too hot - if nothing is done. In theory, a technique called star lifting could remove much of the helium ash from the sun, lowering its mass and luminosity and greatly extending its life.

The estimate I saw say earth will remain habitable to complex animals for much less than that.   Basically in 200 million years, a threshold will be crossed where, in order to further reduce green house effect to keep up with increasing output of the sun, so much CO2 has to be removed that plant photo synthesis will become increasingly difficult.

Basically we are screwed either way.  If we keep CO2 in the atmosphere, then in 200 million years the average global temperature will go up 15 degrees, and humans will literally cook without artificial air conditioning because over most of the planet surface the wet bulb temperature will exceed the human body temperature, leaving humans unable to cool off by fanning or sweating.   If we reduce CO2 to levels that will keep large part of planet survivable in terms of temperature, planets will stop being able to carry on with photosynthesis.

Whatever the time-frame, there is a lot that can be done about it. Star lifting is just one possibility. Gigantic solar shades are another. Altering Earth's orbit is another. Honestly, I think this is nothing but an academic exercise because even using your pessimistic example of 200K years, our civilization will either be dead by then or so advanced that this will be nothing more than a minor inconvenience.

The conventional thought that humans are bound to planets is just plain wrong. There is enough mass in a single planet the size of Earth to build rotating habitats with the land area of approximately a billion Earths. I'm used to thinking big but that number astounds even me.

Rotating habitats using artificial spin gravity can be built to pretty big sizes (>300 square miles) using just mundane materials like steel. Using advanced materials like carbon nanotubes, they can be built with the interior area equal to continents.

Unlike planets, rotating habitats can be moved fairly easily - especially if you are talking about doing it over galactic time. The truth is, even a massive planet like Earth can be moved over time. If you can accurately predict the solar output increase, you will know how much mass you need to alter its orbit slowly outbound. I don't think Earth's value will be anything more than nostalgia at that point but if we are still around, we'll have the ability to save it.

*Click*

No.

Again!

I was looking this up for my space odyssey novel that I am taking another gander at writing. The fact that the sun won't explode ruined the first paragraph of the novel. But what kind of writer would I be if I gave up after this setback?