(October 15, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Joods Wrote:

(October 8, 2018 at 1:47 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Thread title: "Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul"
Content of post and articles used to support his position: Journalist disappeared.
Conclusion of poster: He was 99,999999% murdered and hacked to pieces.

Turns out Atlas wasn't wrong. Saudi government just admitted to killing him due to an interrogation gone wrong.

This same tactic was used before to kidnap people who oppose the royal regime in the Kingdom; BBC had made a documentary about them:






It's a pattern they have in their operations: first they tranquilize you, then abuse the trust of other countries and smuggle that tranquilized individual back to the kingdom, where he is never heard from ever again. But what made them hack Kashoggi in Turkey? usually the hacking and torture is carried out inside the kingdom only. I personally blame Trump for making MBS so comfortable with his crimes, to the degree of doing such foul act abroad.

If the person arrested is a big name in the opposition, they butcher him to send a message to his followers.
Hacking Kashoggi is and obvious message for me and for anybody writing against the kingdom and its mad ruling regime: "talk, and we'll hack you with a bone saw".

It's a gang. and their behaviors are very well known: this is how the Sauds and their agents operate.

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(October 15, 2018 at 5:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Turns out Atlas wasn't wrong. Saudi government just admitted to killing him due to an interrogation gone wrong.

So how does that work, exactly.  "We asked him a question and when we didn't like the answer we blew his fucking brains out.  It was an accident."

And the Orange Shitgibbon will say " Accidents happen."

Trump will cover the back of MBS because he was purchased.

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(October 16, 2018 at 3:52 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(October 15, 2018 at 4:27 pm)Joods Wrote: Turns out Atlas wasn't wrong. Saudi government just admitted to killing him due to an interrogation gone wrong.

Yes, after we have all the necessary information now, corrobating evidence, and everything else that fits int a certain picture, that warrant a belief in this thing having happened.
When i wrote this it was "some unnamed turkish official calimed....."

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Claiming he got killed during an interrogation is the last straw when you dont want to admit you got caught  having murdered someone.

Noone gets "accidentally" killed (and then dismembered) during an "interrogation". Only if that "interrogation" includes a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.
CNN reports they wanted to abduct him from Turkey (back to Saudi Arabia)? Seems plausible, but abductig people is against the law.....

You shouldn't trust anything coming from this hellish kingdom. They used to be liars, but now they are liars with an ambition.
Prisons in the kingdom have worse fates for opposition, hacking the body is an everyday job, torture with every way imagined is the barbaric route they took.

Abduction is the start; after that it's torture, then death. It's a well known fact in this land.

(October 16, 2018 at 4:48 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It's a pattern they have in their operations: first they tranquilize you, then abuse the trust of other countries and smuggle that tranquilized individual back to the kingdom, where he is never heard from ever again.

Its a common pattern . The eastern german STASI used to abduct numerous persons living in western Germany and bring them to the GDR. Mossad drugged Eichmann in Argentina and took him to Israel, etc, pp..

(October 16, 2018 at 4:48 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: You shouldn't trust anything coming from this hellish kingdom. They used to be liars, but now they are liars with an ambition.
Prisons in the kingdom have worse fates for opposition, hacking the body is an everyday job, torture with every way imagined is the barbaric route they took.

Abduction is the start; after that it's torture, then death. It's a well known fact in this land.

I never said i trust the Saudis. But i dont have much trust in Turkey either. Particularly after Erdogans *purge* after the recent coup. What should one make out of "Saudis say so.." vs "Turkey says that...."?
Its like the Katyn massarce in WWII, where Stalin blamed Hitler and vice versa. Whom do you believe? In the end, excavations by the red cross provided evidence that Hitler was correct.

All i was waiting for was more evidence and corrobating facts to support either claim, knowing that quite possibly Turkey could have been right (why making up such a big claim if its all bullshit?....but otoh, look at what turkish officials claim all the time and it IS BS).

No doubt we will hear how a group of agents acted alone without being sanctioned from the Saudi Government. The king will of course claim he knew nothing about the botched abduction / interrogation. The agents involved will be very anxious as they maybe held responsible and executed.

I is worth repeating. It does not help that we have a authoritarian ass kisser in the White House whom has for a few years now constantly vilified journalists. The POTUS's behavior on the world stage is sending a horrible message to oppressive theocracies and dictators, and his vile rhetoric puts the lives of every journalist in danger.

I wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad. I was just pointing out that Atlas pretty much called it.

OMG..reports from " http://aljazeera.net" say that a Turkish high official said that Kashoggi was killed in front of the Saudi counselor.
Today, a joint Turkish and Saudi investigation team entered the house of the counselor, before the investigation starts he left to Saudi Arabia.

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/cr...310083.php

I wonder about the evidence they found that made the counselor flee the country back to Saudi Arabia.

What I know is that it's impossible to hide traces of blood and body fluids; Kashoggi's barbaric way of torture and murder is a flag for the investigators.

It's sick, just sick. The man was going to marry his fiance when he entered that cursed tomb they call Saudi consulate.

(October 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: What I know is that it's impossible to hide traces of blood and body fluids; Kashoggi's barbaric way of torture and murder is a flag for the investigators.

I thought about that, but it's possible they killed him on a tarp or some other disposable item such that traces of Kashoggi's death could not be found within the embassy.

(October 16, 2018 at 8:25 am)Marozz Wrote: No doubt we will hear how a group of agents acted alone without being sanctioned from the Saudi Government. The king will of course claim he knew nothing about the botched abduction / interrogation. The agents involved will be very anxious as they maybe held responsible and executed.

Yes; sacrificing a few pawns is the logical thing to do for a backward royalty: the king's son (who is probably behind this whole mess) would get saved no matter what, and the money that composes the wealth of the natives will be paid to Trump to fashion the way for the way out for the king's son.

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(October 16, 2018 at 8:39 am)Brian37 Wrote: I is worth repeating. It does not help that we have a authoritarian ass kisser in the White House whom has for a few years now constantly vilified journalists. The POTUS's behavior on the world stage is sending a horrible message to oppressive theocracies and dictators, and his vile rhetoric puts the lives of every journalist in danger.

His hate for journalism and love for money and cash will bring America down if nobody moved to protect it.
It's a shame that thugs like the Sauds are purchasing the loyalty of American institutions one by one under the command of Trump.

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(October 16, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Joods Wrote: I wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad. I was just pointing out that Atlas pretty much called it.

Only one thing Joods: I'm not exaggerating when I mention the brutalities the regime here carries on.
It's the support of good people like you that matters, so thank you.

There's really not much more to be said than, "Saudi Arabia is fucked up and the rest of the world is complicit by inaction." I don't know what actions would contain the situation. I don't know what can legally be done by anyone. I just know that it's bad and it feels bad. I'm sorry for his family.

(October 16, 2018 at 3:55 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 16, 2018 at 3:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: What I know is that it's impossible to hide traces of blood and body fluids; Kashoggi's barbaric way of torture and murder is a flag for the investigators.

I thought about that, but it's possible they killed him on a tarp or some other disposable item such that traces of Kashoggi's death could not be found within the embassy.

They used a bone saw to cut the body:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/world...hoggi.html

A famous member of the Saudi resistance said that the body parts were "chopped" and thrown into the sewers. It is very possible. (not to the nytimes though; he said it to an Arabic channel).