(October 17, 2018 at 6:54 am)Khemikal Wrote: Do you disagree?  That the antifacist movement has aligned itself squarely against the trumpster -is- a cause for concern.

Firstly, in that the antifacist movement has cause for that alignment.   That's bad enough (to my american ears, at least).  Secondly, in that the few times the antifa movement has calcified to become a centrally organized group of die hard operatives..they became legitimate domestic terrorists.  

We're used to our administrations breeding foreign terrorists.  The ocean is big, they're rarely a problem.  The possibility that we are now breeding them at home at a previously implausible rate, as well.....well....

Same as saying it's the rape victim's fault for dressing a certain way.

(October 17, 2018 at 6:17 am)alpha male Wrote: Rep. Keith Ellison draws fire for tweet about Antifa handbook and Trump

Yes, I was wondering if that was what RR was basing his claim that Ellison supports Antifa upon because Ellison isn't saying that he supports Antifa in that tweet, only that it should be a scary development for someone like Trump, and sarcastically implying that Trump is a fascist himself, which he may not be wrong about. If that is what RR is basing his belief upon, it's yet another example of the right taking something, twisting it to say something it doesn't say, and then pushing that false narrative to the faithful like RR who eat it up without thinking twice. It was probably a stupid thing for Ellison to do, but it doesn't show he supports Antifa, much less that supporting movements like Antifa is representative of the left as a whole.

(October 17, 2018 at 8:00 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 6:54 am)Khemikal Wrote: Do you disagree?  That the antifacist movement has aligned itself squarely against the trumpster -is- a cause for concern.

Firstly, in that the antifacist movement has cause for that alignment.   That's bad enough (to my american ears, at least).  Secondly, in that the few times the antifa movement has calcified to become a centrally organized group of die hard operatives..they became legitimate domestic terrorists.  

We're used to our administrations breeding foreign terrorists.  The ocean is big, they're rarely a problem.  The possibility that we are now breeding them at home at a previously implausible rate, as well.....well....

Same as saying it's the rape victim's fault for dressing a certain way.

You're terrible at culture warring.  I didn't ask you whose fault it was.  

I asked you whether or not you agreed that it might be concerning to the president of the united states that a movement capable of producing domestic terrorists is gaining traction. I assume that you think it would be - when you're alone and not busy pwning imaginary libs. Or is the the trumpster outrage factory really full of a bunch of fucking snowflakes who don't read?

(October 13, 2018 at 7:34 am)alpha male Wrote: It says nothing about the right being oppressed. It says that the left is violent. There's a difference.

Your orange overlord calls for violence from a stage, sitting safely behind a podium. I'm not going to play the game of whataboutism. Violence from either side is reprehensible. However, you've just showed protesters and called them unhinged because they're angry? You'll have to do better than that. A guy with a gun shot at a bunch of Republicans (not super recently, but still), and you're like "Look at these angry people! They're so angry! They must be unhinged!" Derp. You've got better ammunition.

(October 13, 2018 at 9:59 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: One may notice, that there is no condemning of the unhinged mob and their message, but whataboutism. But then again the leaders are calling for people to be uncivil.

Not going to condemn peaceful protesters.

(October 17, 2018 at 10:02 am)Khemikal Wrote: You're terrible at culture warring.  I didn't ask you whose fault it was.  

You implied it was Trump's fault. You're just such a pussy that you generally leave yourself a lot of wiggle room. Come back when you're ready to actually take a position.

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(October 17, 2018 at 10:06 am)Shell B Wrote: Your orange overlord calls for violence from a stage, sitting safely behind a podium. I'm not going to play the game of whataboutism.

You just did.

Quote:Violence from either side is reprehensible. However, you've just showed protesters and called them unhinged because they're angry? You'll have to do better than that.

OK, how about Eric Clanton? You know, the college professor who joined an antifa mob and attacked 7 people with a bike lock. Is that better?

Quote:A guy with a gun shot at a bunch of Republicans (not super recently, but still), and you're like "Look at these angry people! They're so angry! They must be unhinged!" Derp. You've got better ammunition.

See above.

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(October 17, 2018 at 9:57 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Yes, I was wondering if that was what RR was basing his claim that Ellison supports Antifa upon because Ellison isn't saying that he supports Antifa in that tweet, only that it should be a scary development for someone like Trump, and sarcastically implying that Trump is a fascist himself, which he may not be wrong about.  If that is what RR is basing his belief upon, it's yet another example of the right taking something, twisting it to say something it doesn't say, and then pushing that false narrative to the faithful like RR who eat it up without thinking twice.  It was probably a stupid thing for Ellison to do, but it doesn't show he supports Antifa, much less that supporting movements like Antifa is representative of the left as a whole.

Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that if a Republican politician tweeted a picture of himself holding a book about the KKK, you'd say he was supporting the KKK.

Be honest with yourself.

(October 17, 2018 at 10:09 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:02 am)Khemikal Wrote: You're terrible at culture warring.  I didn't ask you whose fault it was.  

You implied it was Trump's fault. You're just such a pussy that you generally leave yourself a lot of wiggle room. Come back when you're ready to actually take a position.

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(October 17, 2018 at 10:06 am)Shell B Wrote: Your orange overlord calls for violence from a stage, sitting safely behind a podium. I'm not going to play the game of whataboutism.

You just did.

Quote:Violence from either side is reprehensible. However, you've just showed protesters and called them unhinged because they're angry? You'll have to do better than that.

OK, how about Eric Clanton? You know, the college professor who joined an antifa mob and attacked 7 people with a bike lock. Is that better?

Quote:A guy with a gun shot at a bunch of Republicans (not super recently, but still), and you're like "Look at these angry people! They're so angry! They must be unhinged!" Derp. You've got better ammunition.

See above.

Your orange turd is the bully and the coward. I grew up with assholes like him. Fucker like him couldn't win a fair fight. 

Mexicans are not rapists.

McCain is a hero

NFL players are not saying they hate America. The only reason your fuckface bully is attacking the NFL is because they wouldn't let him buy into the league.

Our intel is not wrong.

Journalists are not the enemy of the people.

Assault victims should not be mocked by any politician.

The only reason he is being such a fucking dick, is because he knows his financial past is catching up to him.

You do not get to blame us for your own gullibility. Yes we will stand up to that asshole bully, and no, we will not apologize for doing so.

(October 17, 2018 at 10:09 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 9:57 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Yes, I was wondering if that was what RR was basing his claim that Ellison supports Antifa upon because Ellison isn't saying that he supports Antifa in that tweet, only that it should be a scary development for someone like Trump, and sarcastically implying that Trump is a fascist himself, which he may not be wrong about.  If that is what RR is basing his belief upon, it's yet another example of the right taking something, twisting it to say something it doesn't say, and then pushing that false narrative to the faithful like RR who eat it up without thinking twice.  It was probably a stupid thing for Ellison to do, but it doesn't show he supports Antifa, much less that supporting movements like Antifa is representative of the left as a whole.

Yeah, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that if a Republican politician tweeted a picture of himself holding a book about the KKK, you'd say he was supporting the KKK.

Be honest with yourself.

And you'd be wrong. I've read plenty of stories about Republicans associating with racists at rallies and fund raising events and didn't jump to the conclusion that it meant they support racism. Or are you trying to tell me that I should believe that those Republicans support racism? Unlike you and roadie, I actually, like, read what Ellison tweeted and didn't engage in a kneejerk reaction to it. YMMV. Maybe you're just projecting here, that this is something that you would do, so you assume that other people are like you? Regardless, jumping to unsupported conclusions would be wrong no matter which party did it. You're only defending doing so here because it is Republicans who have been shown to be jumping to conclusions, so you want to discredit that narrative any way you can. (And I'll note that this is yet another tu quoque from you. That seems to be your favorite fallacy. Given your repeated whining about whataboutism, I find that fascinating.)

ETA: Given that Trumptards gullibly believe that Trump may have misspoken at the Helsinki summit and said "would" instead of "wouldn't", it's rather hypocritical of right wingers to ignore Ellison's overt disavowals of violence and concentrate instead on reading the tea leaves regarding Ellison's tweet and drawing a message they find attractive out of it.

ETA2: Regarding your projecting, you tend to do that a lot. When hypocrisy and lies in conservatives are pointed out, you jump to their defense with the tu quoque that everybody does it, both conservatives and liberals. I don't know if that's true or not, but it's interesting what it says about you. Do you have anything to back up your belief that "everybody does it" in roughly equal amounts so drawing attention to examples of one side doing it is not particularly meaningful? Care to show me another president who is documented to have made as many false and misleading statements as Trump? I find it interesting that during the Clinton administration, all the Republicans were up in everybody's face with the message that character matters. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, those concerns have rapidly disappeared, much like concerns about fiscal responsibility and balancing the budget. I'm really curious, as I don't read a lot of right wing media, what do conservatives point to that is similar among liberals and Democratic politicians?

(October 17, 2018 at 10:09 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 17, 2018 at 10:02 am)Khemikal Wrote: You're terrible at culture warring.  I didn't ask you whose fault it was.  

You implied it was Trump's fault. You're just such a pussy that you generally leave yourself a lot of wiggle room. Come back when you're ready to actually take a position.

You instinctively know that it is, but it doesn't actually matter.  Antifa could be the queen of england's fault - regardless....here they are.  

Do you plan on answering the question I asked you this side of rahowa, or not? Are you concerned with the emergence of a group capable of producing domestic terrorists, which has as it's overriding non central authority a distinctively illiberal response to facism (real or perceived)? Do you think the president should be?

(October 17, 2018 at 10:25 am)Khemikal Wrote: Do you plan on answering the question I asked you this side of rahowa, or not?  

Not. I know your games, and I don't have a taste for red herring. If you have a point to make...make it.