Not even actual violence in this debate. Violence as an answer to the perceived threat of violence.

(October 22, 2018 at 7:33 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(October 22, 2018 at 6:16 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: These days with my current list of miladies nope  . In the past from the 80s to 2016 in protests hell yes  and i still do it if i could .

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No we have Right wing fanatics and Left wing counters . And no your the embarrassment as you hide . Grow the fuck up and realize these fuckers are not playing by your rules and your concept of progress is dead air to them . Think outside the box instead of giving them what they want docility .

You think I hide? I wouldn't hide from either of these mobs of political pussies who are too scared to try and affect real progress. Too scared to do anything other than shout what they think others should be doing while attacking each other verbally or, as you claim about yourself, physically. Just because I'm not a nut-sack swinging little bitch doesn't mean I'm docile. I'm just not so stupid that I think attacking someone who isn't attacking me or someone else physically is going to solve anything.

I'm quite fucking shocked you were so "ermagerd strawman" about my post while you've openly admitted that violence is your solution.

1.Yes i do think you hide .You clearly do hide and think your notions of "progress " are anything other then limp finger waving .I'm sure Gavin and his thugs are trembling .

2.Your to scared to do anything other then sit on your hands and blather on about how "progressive" and "enlightened " you are . When your done maybe look out the window of the ivory tower at the mongols at the gate .

3. And yup you are docile a docile finger waver in your ivory tower while the vikings plunder the country side.

4. No your stupid enough to think your enlightened blather solves anything other then convincing Gavin and his shit heads they have won because you have let them win .

I'm shocked you still push that straw man when i was clear of the conditions of violence which are more then justified 

You go hide in you ivory tower of smug righteousness while the rest of us get our hands dirty .

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(October 22, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Shell B Wrote: Not even actual violence in this debate. Violence as an answer to the perceived threat of violence.

Violence is the answer to the inevitable FACT  of violence if fuckers like the Proud Boys aren't put down

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(October 22, 2018 at 7:55 pm)Joods Wrote: In a nutshell:

Using violence as an answer to violence is a bad idea.

In a nutshell using violence too stop fascist dick weeds from taking over and fucking everyone over is a good idea.

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(October 22, 2018 at 6:37 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(October 22, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. So we have a bunch of armed fanatics who if they aren't stopped will attack people who are not fighting back .

2. Antifa has won against the proud boys and run them out of neighborhoods they have terrorized and yes they love violence but they would much rather take it out on defenseless people then fight us . 

3.No they would get attention as their founder has become a darling of the extreme right complete with his own show and is attempting to go mainstream 

4.Winning over third parties is not my goal as anyone dumb enough to think the proud boys are sympathetic is someone i want nothing to do with . 

5. We have contained it in street protest after street protest . Yeah they are fighting back but so are we .

You clearly don't understand the  dynamics here

None of that even addressed what I was saying. Nor is it true.

Antifa hasn't run the proud boys out of neighborhoods, they've turned those neighborhoods into chaos and violence that otherwise wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there.

I'm not talking about winning a fight, I'm talking about overall goals.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore...oys&geo=US

You see those spikes there? They literally align with fights with antifa. The more stupid pointless street brawls, the more attention they get. It's a direct correlation.

There has never been a proud boys demonstration that wasn't made far worse and more violent by antifa showing up.

So congrats on winning a fight, if that's even true, but if you have goals such as opposing the views of the proud boys and making them less than what they are: total failure in everyway.

I have addressed it all and it's all true 

1.Yes their was violence but they have been run out 

2.The goal is stopping them for fucking everyone over 

3.Actually again nope The proud boys already were spreading because they have both crept into the mainstream and have taken complete advantage of the openness of our society 

4. Your fourth point is false 

So congrats we won a great many fights and have opposed their views and have made them less then what they are : total success .And you a Shell can sit on your fingers running you mouths about "progress" while Gavin thanks you for your contribution.

(October 22, 2018 at 9:14 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

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(October 22, 2018 at 7:55 pm)Joods Wrote: In a nutshell:

Using violence as an answer to violence is a bad idea.

In a nutshell using violence too stop fascist dick weeds from taking over and fucking everyone over is a good idea.

Maybe in Canada, that sort of thing is okay, but in the US, you can be criminally liable for any damages to persons or property that you cause, from said violence. If you like jail time, then you do you. You don't get a free pass to beat the shit out of someone else simply because you don't like who or what they stand for. 

I don't like the KKK and I cannot stand racists, but you don't see me driving to their headquarters and blowing up their building. Why? Because it's wrong and it's a crime. 

The idea of using violence to combat more violence is part of the problem with people today. This 'eye for an eye' mentality doesn't work and its never worked.

(October 22, 2018 at 9:40 pm)Joods Wrote:

(October 22, 2018 at 9:14 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

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In a nutshell using violence too stop fascist dick weeds from taking over and fucking everyone over is a good idea.

Maybe in Canada, that sort of thing is okay, but in the US, you can be criminally liable for any damages to persons or property that you cause, from said violence. If you like jail time, then you do you. You don't get a free pass to beat the shit out of someone else simply because you don't like who or what they stand for. 

I don't like the KKK and I cannot stand racists, but you don't see me driving to their headquarters and blowing up their building. Why? Because it's wrong and it's a crime. 

The idea of using violence to combat more violence is part of the problem with people today. This 'eye for an eye' mentality doesn't work and its never worked.

1. As i said i think people who break the law should be punished (i have been fined ) that does not alter the justification 

2.Is it a crime yup .is it wrong to KILL them yes . That's not the same as breaking up their rallies .

3.I'm not talking about an eye for an eye . I'm talking about violence as a means to a justified ends because at the end of the day i'm not going to come after you for being , Black , Jewish or Gay they are .

Yet this is the example that you think is appropriate for our youth to learn from? If so, it will never end because there will always be some group or individual that takes things too far.

If we as adults don't set the example that you don't need to use violence to make a difference in this world, we will be the cause of our own demise.

(October 16, 2018 at 8:00 am)alpha male Wrote:

(October 15, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: And you're saying that antifa represents the left?

Plenty of lefties argued that the KKK represents the right.

They do.

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/343.html

Quote:Platform of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan

Quote:Enemies from within are destroying the United States of America. An unholy coalition of anti-White, anti-Christian liberals, socialists, feminists, homosexuals, jews and militant blacks have managed to seize control of our government and mass media. This gang of criminals and degenerates has declared war on the hard working, tax paying, White citizens. White Americans have become second class citizens in the country our ancestors built from nothing.

Shit, Heinrich.  They sound exactly like you.

Although I know that you personally prefer "hinged" mobs.

(October 22, 2018 at 9:53 pm)Joods Wrote: Yet this is the example that you think is appropriate for our youth to learn from? If so, it will never end because there will always be some group or individual that takes things too far.

If we as adults don't set the example that you don't need to use violence to make a difference in this world, we will be the cause of our own demise.

1. The example i want them to learn is sometimes you gotta do what's right even if you get in trouble and yes groups like the proud boys will always exist vigilance is needed .

2. Adults setting the example that their is a place for violence and a cause for it .Though it will come at a personnel cost and should come at a cost .

(October 13, 2018 at 7:34 am)alpha male Wrote: It says nothing about the right being oppressed. It says that the left is violent. There's a difference.

Strange, I could have sworn it was George Bush Jnr's administration and a right of true labour UK government who invaded Iraq. Lots of violence there, even worse than shouting and waving banners.

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I have been up all night thinking about what's been said on this thread and it's given me a lot to think about and possibly reconsider .

I'm glad you said that because I was just flexing my fingers to tear you a new asshole about your last post to me, but I'll wait for the conclusion of your self-exploration.