(October 26, 2018 at 9:47 am)Khemikal Wrote: I think it's hilarious that creationists think that makes a difference and bicker with each other about it.  You're both still wrong, and for all of the same reasons....and I have to ask...since you're positing a magical creator in the first place, why is time a problem to be solved?

I just never found anything in the Bible stating the Earth is young.  They can't provide any Scriptures on this either.  I believe the universe is 13.8 billion years old and the Earth is 4.54 billion years old approximately.

(October 26, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: Science shows we did descend from two different humans; Y-chromosome Adam and mitochondrial Eve.  Salvation is always through Christ, even back dating to those prior to Christ's birth.

Please give a scientific citation for this claim.

(October 26, 2018 at 7:20 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 4:41 am)Wololo Wrote: Chapter and verse please.  Because pretty much every christian denomination say animals don't have souls, citing bible as their evidence.

One of tye fundamental "rwasons" why humans aren't animals per the bible is the alleged possession of a soul, supposedly our "image of god".

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For me he has 861.

Isaiah 65:23-25 They won’t toil in vain nor bear children doomed to misfortune, for they will be offspring blessed by the Lord, they and their descendants with them. Before they call, I will answer, while they are still speaking, I’ll hear. “The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; but as for the serpent— its food will be dust! They won’t harm or destroy on my entire holy mountain.”

 Isaiah 11:5-9 He will wear righteousness like a belt and truth like an undergarment. In that day the wolf and the lamb will live together; the leopard will lie down with the baby goat. The calf and the yearling will be safe with the lion, and a little child will lead them all. The cow will graze near the bear. The cub and the calf will lie down together. The lion will eat hay like a cow. The baby will play safely near the hole of a cobra. Yes, a little child will put its hand in a nest of deadly snakes without harm. Nothing will hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain, for as the waters fill the sea, so the earth will be filled with people who know the Lord.

Hosea 2:18: "And I will make for them a covenant on that day with the beasts of the field, the birds of the heavens, and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land, and I will make you lie down in safety."

Luke 3: 5 "'Every ravine shall be filled And every mountain and hill shall be made low, And the crooked shall be straight, And the rough places into smooth roads,...6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God."

Nothing in that comes even remotely close to saying animals have souls.

Mr Inquisition, if you're going to try and bullshit me you're going to have to try much harder and a hell of a lot smarter than that.

PS and your quotes come from the jewish part of the bible. Jews at the time didn't believe in an eternal soul.

(October 26, 2018 at 10:05 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 7:23 am)CDF47 Wrote: Science shows we did descend from two different humans; Y-chromosome Adam and mitochondrial Eve.  Salvation is always through Christ, even back dating to those prior to Christ's birth.

Please give a scientific citation for this claim.

There is none it's distortion of science

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n...180959593/

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

(October 26, 2018 at 9:50 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 9:47 am)Khemikal Wrote: I think it's hilarious that creationists think that makes a difference and bicker with each other about it.  You're both still wrong, and for all of the same reasons....and I have to ask...since you're positing a magical creator in the first place, why is time a problem to be solved?

I just never found anything in the Bible stating the Earth is young.  They can't provide any Scriptures on this either.  I believe the universe is 13.8 billion years old and the Earth is 4.54 billion years old approximately.

You believe both extra-biblically, but again.....it doesn't matter..because you're still wrong about creationism for the same reason that young earth creationists are.  

At least they believe what they read in magic book..unlike you, lol. They're faithfully wrong. You're unfaithful and wrong. Since you also happen to be incredibly dense..you've hit the trifecta in a way that they haven't.

When I was growing-up, we were taught Bishop Usher!s 4004 BC date, which was printed in English bibles for over 200 years. Usher was widely praised by churchmen of all persuasions after publishing his "calculation".

(October 26, 2018 at 9:07 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 8:07 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Now you are an expert on celestial geography. How cute.
And that is a flat out lie. This has been explained to you ad nauseum such that even a small child could work it out.

MT eve and Y-Adam did not exist at the same time but 100,000 years apart and neither are one individual but change over time.

Climb back under your bridge.

There age apart is unknown.  "Scientists who share the Darwinian bias naturally presume that these two were not the only humans alive during their pre-child bearing lifetimes, while biblical creationists naturally presume that they were. As for determining when these two actually lived respectively, the conventional perspective is founded upon uniformitarian assumptions which many creationists reject, and with fair reason. So there is disagreement there, too. Naturally, the Darwinian time frame is much longer (tens to hundreds of thousands of years), presuming an Old-Earth scenario, while the Young-Earth perspective is much shorter (less than ten thousand years). What we can say with fair certainty is that, regardless of time frames and alleged contemporaries, every man alive today descended from one man while every human alive today descended from one woman."

https://www.gotquestions.org/Chromosomal-Adam-Mitochondrial-Eve.html

Mind you nose, Pinnochio.

Quote:I just never found anything in the Bible stating the Earth is young. They can't provide any Scriptures on this either. I believe the universe is 13.8 billion years old and the Earth is 4.54 billion years old approximately.

The problem with this ass-backward approach, is that the humans who wrote the bible knew nothing of science or the scientific method. 
Looking to the Bible AT ALL for these kinds of facts betrays a total ignorance of ancient literature and scripture in general.

(October 26, 2018 at 9:50 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(October 26, 2018 at 9:47 am)Khemikal Wrote: I think it's hilarious that creationists think that makes a difference and bicker with each other about it.  You're both still wrong, and for all of the same reasons....and I have to ask...since you're positing a magical creator in the first place, why is time a problem to be solved?

I just never found anything in the Bible stating the Earth is young.  They can't provide any Scriptures on this either.  I believe the universe is 13.8 billion years old and the Earth is 4.54 billion years old approximately.

Where in the bible do you find support for this belief? Even if one takes the "a thousand years is as a day" passage as something more than a figurative statement, that still leaves the earth way too young according to the bible.

It leaves humanity too young certainly, I don't think you can take the days of the bible anything other than in a literal sense as it talks about..

God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

If it was just a long time, why have all the evenings and mornings, to read it any other way is to take information not found in the bible and speculate, and if faith is built on speculation, then why bother with the bible.

We know at what age Adam died so it's easy to work out roughly, but still leaves the earth (as in living things on earth) way way too young.  It always amuses me that the certainty of the bible seems to rest much more on what cannot be proven wrong, or on what the bible does not say to make it apply in any reasonable way.

It seems to me the truth of a book inspired by the ultimate being should be judged by what it does say, not what we add or speculate about it outside of the book, and certainly should not have to be adapted as science progresses and makes nonsense of it's claims.