(October 30, 2018 at 9:19 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: I'm not too surprised that he's pulled this latest one out of his ass. He will have some difficulty overriding the US Constitution without litigation. The American Civil Liberties Union likely has a motion to stay drafted already.

He can't unilaterally amend the Constitution by executive order.
If by any stretch of the imagination that were allowed to happen we might as well burn the document and put the entire Congress out to pasture.

Quote:He also lied and claimed that "no other country in the world" allows birthright citizenship.

Or maybe he really believed that.  He doesn't seem overly concerned with doing even minimal fact- checking before opening his mouth.

Quote:But if this makes it to the Supreme Court, they could just rubber stamp it.

The Supreme Court cannot amend the Constitution, either.

Quote:Let's not forget that it's a Constitutional Amendment that limits presidents to 2 terms (after FDR was elected to 4 terms). I'm guessing he'll try to Executive-Order that amendment out of existence in around 2023 or 2024.

It's been said about every president in my lifetime, and probably a few before, that they were going to pull something to remain in office forever.  Since it's never happened, I'll remain skeptical on that one.

It takes a 2/3s majority of both Congressional houses just to propose an amendment -- or a general Constitutional Convention, which has, to date, never happened in the amendment process.
The president gets no official say in the matter.
If it does get proposed you need 38 states to ratify it.  Ain't gonna happen.

(October 31, 2018 at 4:08 pm)Dr H Wrote:

(October 30, 2018 at 9:19 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: But if this makes it to the Supreme Court, they could just rubber stamp it.

The Supreme Court cannot amend the Constitution, either.

No, but the Supreme Court can redefine how the amendment is interpreted. I don't foresee the current Supreme Court doing that, even given it's conservative bias, but then, stranger things have happened. It would undermine confidence in the courts, politics, Republicans, and the rule of law, but I can't see such a decision leading to anything as serious as civil war, given that the outcome of such a result would not meaningfully impact most Americans.

(October 31, 2018 at 4:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(October 31, 2018 at 4:08 pm)Dr H Wrote: The Supreme Court cannot amend the Constitution, either.

No, but the Supreme Court can redefine how the amendment is interpreted.  I don't foresee the current Supreme Court doing that, even given it's conservative bias, but then, stranger things have happened.  It would undermine confidence in the courts, politics, Republicans, and the rule of law, but I can't see such a decision leading to anything as serious as civil war, given that the outcome of such a result would not meaningfully impact most Americans.

Very much the bolded bit. Look at the second amendment, its current interpretation has no relation to the original meaning.

If Trump can do this it’s just further proof we live in a dictatorship. It’s funny that pro-government leftists don’t understand that they helped to build this horrible machine Trump is driving by making the government such a mammoth of power in the first place. America’s left is like a person that gets killed by his own pit bull.

While not attempting to eliminate birthright I can see him trying to restrict it thru executive order. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#R...d_Jus_soli

(October 30, 2018 at 10:12 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: One of the few things my husband and I agree on "if we win the lottery" is that if the orange fucktard gets elected for a second term we will choose a more intelligent country and move there.  I've never felt that way before donny-boy.

Where though?

None of the European countries have birthright citizenship, nor Australia or New Zealand or Japan.

The only other first world country with it is Canada.

Next up: Local committees to determine who should have the right to vote.

(November 1, 2018 at 8:34 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: None of the European countries have birthright citizenship, nor Australia or New Zealand or Japan.

The only other first world country with it is Canada.

True, but almost the entire New World has it.

(November 1, 2018 at 8:51 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Next up: Local committees to determine who should have the right to vote.

Otherwise known as Georgia