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DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 5:43 pm
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 5:43 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(November 10, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Everena Wrote: This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that.
Okay suppose that it didn't (it does)

In fact, remove yourself entirely from this situation.  If someone asked us the answer to a complicated math question...and I blurted out "42!" ...and I am wrong..the next guy...who blurts out "43!" isn't right on account of how I didn't know the answer the the question.

That, is what's known as an argument from igorance.  The idea that because someone else doesn't know something, whatever you happen to say must be true.  It may be true that someone doesn't know something...but regardless..that won't mean that someone else does.

You're welcome.

No, science definintely does not know why or how we have consciousness. There are neuroscientists all over the world working on solving the mystery of it right now.  And yours is also an argument of ignorance, just so we are on the same page with the type of discussion we are having.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 5:45 pm
What science "knows", and what humans understand about that science are entirely different.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 5:45 pm (This post was last modified: November 10, 2018 at 5:50 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 10, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Everena Wrote:
(November 10, 2018 at 5:06 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: But you are not arguing, then, that individual snowflakes are crafted by a designer. You are arguing that the fundamental laws that govern snowflake production were put in place by Allah (or whatever God you believe in, you didn't say). Those are two separate arguments. 

The snowflake should satisfy as an example of how complexity CAN arise from simplicity, though.

What is your position on evolution? The age of the universe?

I think God is higher intelligence, a massive form of energy perhaps. 

Well..that's nice, I guess?  So what,  though?  What you believe and what is true aren't always the same thing.
(November 10, 2018 at 5:43 pm)Everena Wrote:
(November 10, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Okay suppose that it didn't (it does)

In fact, remove yourself entirely from this situation.  If someone asked us the answer to a complicated math question...and I blurted out "42!" ...and I am wrong..the next guy...who blurts out "43!" isn't right on account of how I didn't know the answer the the question.

That, is what's known as an argument from igorance.  The idea that because someone else doesn't know something, whatever you happen to say must be true.  It may be true that someone doesn't know something...but regardless..that won't mean that someone else does.

You're welcome.

No, science definintely does not know why or how we have consciousness. There are neuroscientists all over the world working on solving the mystery of it right now.  And yours is also an argument of ignorance, just so we are on the same page with the type of discussion we are having.

If you say so..but, again, it's not as if it would matter if it didn't...and if you're now appealing to hypocrisy you can only be asserting that what we are both doing (not that you'd know what I'm doing) is wrong.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 6:23 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Everena Wrote: Adding billions of years to something does not all of a sudden make it possible. A complex code does not just come into existence from nothing.

Scientists do not suspect the complex information in DNA came from nothing. They believe it came from simpler elements by a process which adds information. Nothing that has been presented in this thread makes that impossible and the evidence indicates that it is very possible.


(November 10, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Everena Wrote: What specifically convinces you that complex things can just come to life or come into existence from nothing with no intelligence? And don't say billions of years of evolution because that is a cop-out and a straw man argument.

As noted, nobody is arguing that DNA came from nothing. The reason they believe that DNA evolved is because we have evidence of the process of evolution from simpler DNA and plausible explanations for how simpler elements which could evolve into DNA based life forms could have originated. That is neither a cop-out nor a straw man. I don't think you know what a cop-out or a straw man argument is.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 6:26 pm (This post was last modified: November 10, 2018 at 6:27 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:Adding billions of years to something does not all of a sudden make it possible. A complex code does not just come into existence from nothing.
Good thing no ones arguing this and may i point out this is an assertion
Quote:That specifically convinces you that complex things can just come to life or come into existence from nothing with no intelligence? And don't say billions of years of evolution because that is a cop-out and a straw man argument.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 6:26 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Everena Wrote:
(November 10, 2018 at 4:49 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Evidence for God, please.
This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all?

Bollocks. Science does exactly that. Now you're just a crass liar.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 6:29 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Everena Wrote: And a complex sculpture can arise from mere clay, but an intelligent conscious being is still required.

Evidence or GTFO.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 6:30 pm (This post was last modified: November 10, 2018 at 6:31 pm by Amarok.)
Quote:This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence.
Assertion 


Quote: How and why do we have consciousness?

Argument from ignorance 


Quote: Science doesn't know the answer to that. 
Even if that were true it's not evidence of a god .



Quote:And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence.
Even if this were true .It assumes there are any why's or that they even matter .


Quote: Like why do we exist at all?
See all the above
Quote:And don't say billions of years of evolution because that is a cop-out and a straw man argument.
Actually it's neither
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 10, 2018 at 6:32 pm (This post was last modified: November 10, 2018 at 6:32 pm by Angrboda.)
(November 10, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Everena Wrote: I think evolution is very possibly true, but parts of it are not proven beyond any doubt. The age of the universe is something we can only speculate about, with the best estimates being approx 13.8 billion years old. As far as the existence of "everything and anything" I believe God always hase been and always will be, as well as our true selves. We are what is.

The contention of this thread's OP is that DNA Proves Existence of a Designer. If you accept that evolution is possibly true, then DNA doesn't prove shit about a designer and you are in the wrong thread.
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