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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 1:44 pm
Sometimes I feel like I'm walking the halls of an insane asylum with a clipboard, peering into the windows of the inmates.
And some of them are yelling out...
"God did this ..."
"Have I been bad god ?"
"The voices told me to do it."
"This place is so complex. Only a god could have made it."
"How do I have hands ? I didn't have to be born with hands. What a gift. I am so blessed."
"Am I being punished ? What did I do ? Explain to me why killing is objectively wrong."
This forum gives us a chance to see the unfiltered mind of a theist.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 2:31 pm
(November 11, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 11, 2018 at 10:37 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Bahai may or may not be nonsense. But I am reluctant to dismiss it out of hand.
Why?
It is an improvement upon nonsense. And an improvement upon nonsense makes sense. After all, that is all that science and philosophy are (when you really stand back and look at them.)
It's not, go spend twenty minutes at a bahai forum. Those guys are nuts, even more nuts than your run of the mill religious nuts. That's what happens when you get too deep into syncretism, though, you end up with a schizophrenic religion.
The bahai faith is islam's version of scientology.
I know a Bahai who is a pretty reasonable fellow. Biased at any point that facts impinge upon his religious beliefs, but otherwise quite enjoyable company. I can't speak to whether the Ba'hai faith itself is any more or less nonsensical, other than its seeming dependence upon prophets, holy texts, and such, but this fellow does not otherwise appear to be any worse for the wear.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 2:44 pm
(November 10, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 4:49 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Evidence for God, please.
This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence by creating comforting stories. Like why do we exist at all?
*Fixed that for you with my bolding.
I think she/he is looking for wildly speculative, just-so stories which not only make sense of the world but place ourselves at the very center of the story as God's own darlings. She is right you know, science doesn't even try to pander to our vanities.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 2:45 pm
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IKR? Fuckin science!
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 2:46 pm
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(November 10, 2018 at 5:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Everena Wrote: This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. Okay suppose that it didn't (it does)
In fact, remove yourself entirely from this situation. If someone asked us the answer to a complicated math question...and I blurted out "42!" ...and I am wrong..the next guy...who blurts out "43!" isn't right on account of how I didn't know the answer to the question.
That, is what's known as an argument from ignorance.
Then it is an argument this poster is obviously qualified to make.
(November 10, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 5:06 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: But you are not arguing, then, that individual snowflakes are crafted by a designer. You are arguing that the fundamental laws that govern snowflake production were put in place by Allah (or whatever God you believe in, you didn't say). Those are two separate arguments.
The snowflake should satisfy as an example of how complexity CAN arise from simplicity, though.
What is your position on evolution? The age of the universe?
I think evolution is very possibly true, but parts of it are not proven beyond any doubt.
You do realize, I hope, that being very possibly true puts it light years ahead of the cosmic watchmaker where truthiness is concerned.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 2:54 pm
Why do Bonobo apes and dolphins have consciousness.
https://academic.oup.com/icb/article/40/6/910/187784
Why, it's obvious, of course.
Ape God, and Fish God created them.
The only reason you people don't believe in Fish God is because you want to go fishing ... an abomination to Fish God, and his only begotten son, Jebus-Carp.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 3:16 pm
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(November 10, 2018 at 6:32 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Everena Wrote: I think evolution is very possibly true, but parts of it are not proven beyond any doubt. The age of the universe is something we can only speculate about, with the best estimates being approx 13.8 billion years old. As far as the existence of "everything and anything" I believe God always hase been and always will be, as well as our true selves. We are what is.
The contention of this thread's OP is that DNA Proves Existence of a Designer. If you accept that evolution is possibly true, then DNA doesn't prove shit about a designer and you are in the wrong thread.
False. Evolution is a human invented term used to describe a process that we discovered was happening, It is not a first cause of DNA, food, consciousness or anything else because a process is what happens after life is created, not the creator of it.
(November 11, 2018 at 8:31 am)purplepurpose Wrote: (November 11, 2018 at 8:31 am)Everena Wrote: I don't lie and I never even knew this site existed until yesterday. Please stop writing anything to me. You don't know me and you don't know anything about me, and now you are making personal attacks against my integrity and I do not appreciate that.
How do I accept God in to my life?
In whatever way feels the most comfortable to you. I'm sure you are aware of the numerous options regarding gathering with other people, if you are looking for support.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 3:22 pm
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(November 11, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 6:32 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The contention of this thread's OP is that DNA Proves Existence of a Designer. If you accept that evolution is possibly true, then DNA doesn't prove shit about a designer and you are in the wrong thread.
False. Evolution is a human invented term used to describe a process that we discovered was happening, It is not a first cause of DNA, food, consciousness or anything else because a process is what happens after life is created, not the creator of it.
Nope.
Thanks for the *perfect* example of a non-sequitur.
Actually creation is a process too.
Oops.
Try harder, please.
And while we're on the subject, the very "existence" of your deity is also a "process" .... AND you claim it always existed, yet at some point made a decision to intervene and cause something ... all totally temporal concepts .... impossible without time already in place. Such a nonsense language you people spout. Totally without meaning.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 3:26 pm
(November 11, 2018 at 8:49 am)Khemikal Wrote: (November 11, 2018 at 8:47 am)Everena Wrote: What I said was recent discoveries in quantum biology coupled with quantum mechanics multiverse theory could soon prove eternal life. Don't try to change what I said. Which they don't, and which you've had ample time to cite if they did, and which you tried to slide by an empty citation of. You're a liar on every front.
Quote:How did you manage that? 93% of the world got it before you did! Oh well, you had your fun being an atheist.
Allah Akbar, pass the salt! I'm sorry if you are having trouble understanding the theories and their potential implications. I already explained superposition to you.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 11, 2018 at 3:27 pm
(November 11, 2018 at 3:16 pm)Everena Wrote: (November 10, 2018 at 6:32 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The contention of this thread's OP is that DNA Proves Existence of a Designer. If you accept that evolution is possibly true, then DNA doesn't prove shit about a designer and you are in the wrong thread.
False. Evolution is a human invented term used to describe a process that we discovered was happening, It is not a first cause of DNA, food, consciousness or anything else because a process is what happens after life is created, not the creator of it.
Evolution, the biological theory, does not presume DNA or that evolution only applies to creatures that possess DNA. As Wikipedia notes, "Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations." Evolution only requires heritability, not DNA. So, as noted, if you believe that evolution is possibly true, you are in the wrong thread.
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