(November 11, 2018 at 10:27 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: "I'm convinced of my beliefs, therefore you should be too."

The moon is made of green cheese. You are giving up eternity with Cheesus. Just accept it. 
Some day you will come to see the truth of Pink Sparkly Unicorns.

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Quote:Einstein himself hated this idea, but he was wrong on this one.

Actually Einstein was the one who first described it. He was wrong about a lot of things, but "spooky action at a distance" was not one of them. 

"Such phenomena were the subject of a 1935 paper by Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and Nathan Rosen,[1] and several papers by Erwin Schrödinger shortly thereafter,[2][3] describing what came to be known as the EPR paradox. Einstein and others considered such behavior to be impossible, as it violated the local realist view of causality (Einstein referring to it as "spooky action at a distance")[4] and argued that the accepted formulation of quantum mechanics must therefore be incomplete. Later, however, the counterintuitive predictions of quantum mechanics were verified experimentally[5] in tests where the polarization or spin of entangled particles were measured at separate locations, statistically violating , demonstrating that the classical conception of "local realism" cannot be correct."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

That was a quote from an article about the two physicists who won the Nobel Prize in 2012 for first hand proof that atoms and electrons can exist in 2 places at the same time. We were already using the theory prior to that even without solid firsthand proof. It is how we have all modern technology. You all claim to love science, but not even one of you know that???

(November 11, 2018 at 10:43 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:27 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: "I'm convinced of my beliefs, therefore you should be too."

The moon is made of green cheese. You are giving up eternity with Cheesus. Just accept it. 
Some day you will come to see the truth of Pink Sparkly Unicorns.

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Actually Einstein was the one who first described it. He was wrong about a lot of things, but "spooky action at a distance" was not one of them. 

"Such phenomena were the subject of a 1935 paper by Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky, and Nathan Rosen,[1] and several papers by Erwin Schrödinger shortly thereafter,[2][3] describing what came to be known as the EPR paradox. Einstein and others considered such behavior to be impossible, as it violated the local realist view of causality (Einstein referring to it as "spooky action at a distance")[4] and argued that the accepted formulation of quantum mechanics must therefore be incomplete. Later, however, the counterintuitive predictions of quantum mechanics were verified experimentally[5] in tests where the polarization or spin of entangled particles were measured at separate locations, statistically violating , demonstrating that the classical conception of "local realism" cannot be correct."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

That was a quote from an article about the two physicists who won the Nobel Prize in 2012 for first hand proof that atoms and electrons can exist in 2 places at the same time. We were already using the theory prior to that even without solid firsthand proof. It is why we have all modern technology. You all claim to love science, but not even one of you know that???

You are not even talking about the same thing, you idiot. Quantum superposition, (which is what YOU are talking about) is NOT quantum entanglement. 
They are entirely different things.
You really should take High School Freshman Physics.
It's not "why we have all modern technology"
Name ONE technology built on quantum superposition OR (for that matter) quantum entanglement.
I'm afraid "box of rocks" was accurate.

(November 11, 2018 at 10:25 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 9:59 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're even wrong according to your own source.  Fine.  You want more?


Two objects.  Not one.

Yes, but what we are discussing is the concept of atoms and electrons existing in two places at once, and quantum entanglement is just part of the theory of quantum mechanics. You all should know this, since it is how we are able to have advanced technology. 

Congratulations to Drs. S. Haroche and D. Wineland for winning the Nobel Prize in Physics. 2012
These two physicists got the Prize for doing experiments once thought to be impossible, i.e. studying single atoms and single photons (particles of light).

They proved the correctness of the bizarre properties of quantum mechanics, i.e. that electrons can be two places at the same time. Einstein himself hated this idea, but he was wrong on this one. It sounds preposterous that electrons and atoms can be in many states at the same time, but this is the foundation of modern civilizations. Lasers, transistors, computers, the internet etc. are all based on quantum mechanics. It has been tested to 1 part in 100 billion in accuracy, making it the most successful physical theory of  all time. Except that it is based on feet of clay.

The idea that you can be in many places at the same time can be proven indirectly, by looking at the properties of many atoms, but testing it on single atoms and single photons was beyond reach. Until now.

Dr. Wineland put a single atom in a box, and then hit it with a photon of light.

Dr. Haroche did the opposite. He put a single photon in a box, and then hit it with an atom.

In both cases, the experiments verified quantum mechanics."

That's superposition, not quantum entanglement, which, as already noted, is a property of the quantum wave function, not of particles or atoms.

And you need to cite your sources.

(November 11, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:43 pm)Everena Wrote: That was a quote from an article about the two physicists who won the Nobel Prize in 2012 for first hand proof that atoms and electrons can exist in 2 places at the same time. We were already using the theory prior to that even without solid firsthand proof. It is why we have all modern technology. You all claim to love science, but not even one of you know that???

You are not even talking about the same thing, you idiot. Quantum superposition, (which is what YOU are talking about) is NOT quantum entanglement. 
They are entirely different things.
You really should take High School Freshman Physics.
It's not "why we have all modern technology"
Name ONE technology built on quantum superposition OR (for that matter) quantum entanglement.

I know all that. I was the one who said superposition and then she brought up quantum entanglement and went on and on about how an atom and a particle or electron cannot possibly exist in 2 places at once. I am already fully aware that it can and that was my entire point to begin with, and they are all part of the theory of quantum mechanics which has been proven beyond any and all doubt and is being used all over the world and has been for years and years now. Quantum biology is now theorizing that bacteria can exist in 2 places at the same time and it is just a matter of time before we prove this is possible on the macro level.   https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

(November 11, 2018 at 10:54 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You are not even talking about the same thing, you idiot. Quantum superposition, (which is what YOU are talking about) is NOT quantum entanglement. 
They are entirely different things.
You really should take High School Freshman Physics.
It's not "why we have all modern technology"
Name ONE technology built on quantum superposition OR (for that matter) quantum entanglement.

I know all that. I was the one who said superposition and then she brought up quantum entanglement and went on and on about how an atom and a particle or electron cannot possibly exist in 2 places at once. I am already fully aware that it can and that was my entire point to begin with, and they are all part of the theory of quantum mechanics which has been proven beyond any and all doubt and is being used all over the world and has been for years and years now. Quantum biology is now theorizing that bacteria can exist in 2 places at the same time and it is just a matter of time before we prove this is possible on the macro level.   https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

Then why are you talking about "spooky action at a distance" having anything to do with superposition, (YOU posted the article link about something that had NOTHING
to do with what you were talking about). Obviously you are very confused. You already posted this article, and nowhere does it say anything about a bacteria being in two places at once, and you can quote NO PLACE in it, that it does say this. You're simply lying out your ass.

(November 11, 2018 at 10:54 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You are not even talking about the same thing, you idiot. Quantum superposition, (which is what YOU are talking about) is NOT quantum entanglement. 
They are entirely different things.
You really should take High School Freshman Physics.
It's not "why we have all modern technology"
Name ONE technology built on quantum superposition OR (for that matter) quantum entanglement.

I know all that. I was the one who said superposition and then she brought up quantum entanglement and went on and on about how an atom and a particle or electron cannot possibly exist in 2 places at once. I am already fully aware that it can and that was my entire point to begin with, and they are all part of the theory of quantum mechanics which has been proven beyond any and all doubt and is being used all over the world and has been for years and years now. Quantum biology is now theorizing that bacteria can exist in 2 places at the same time and it is just a matter of time before we prove this is possible on the macro level.   https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

So many distractions from you.

My experience with god is real.  I know it.  I don’t have to prove it to you.  You are the one who is deciding there is an afterlife on your own.  I have experiences with the one true god, and I know that there is no afterlife, because he did not design us that way.  The same method, personal experience, leads two people to two different conclusions.  Mutually exclusive conclusions.  What does that tell you about the reliability of personal experience?

(November 11, 2018 at 10:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:25 pm)Everena Wrote: Yes, but what we are discussing is the concept of atoms and electrons existing in two places at once, and quantum entanglement is just part of the theory of quantum mechanics. You all should know this, since it is how we are able to have advanced technology. 

Congratulations to Drs. S. Haroche and D. Wineland for winning the Nobel Prize in Physics. 2012
These two physicists got the Prize for doing experiments once thought to be impossible, i.e. studying single atoms and single photons (particles of light).

They proved the correctness of the bizarre properties of quantum mechanics, i.e. that electrons can be two places at the same time. Einstein himself hated this idea, but he was wrong on this one. It sounds preposterous that electrons and atoms can be in many states at the same time, but this is the foundation of modern civilizations. Lasers, transistors, computers, the internet etc. are all based on quantum mechanics. It has been tested to 1 part in 100 billion in accuracy, making it the most successful physical theory of  all time. Except that it is based on feet of clay.

The idea that you can be in many places at the same time can be proven indirectly, by looking at the properties of many atoms, but testing it on single atoms and single photons was beyond reach. Until now.

Dr. Wineland put a single atom in a box, and then hit it with a photon of light.

Dr. Haroche did the opposite. He put a single photon in a box, and then hit it with an atom.

In both cases, the experiments verified quantum mechanics."

That's superposition, not quantum entanglement, which, as already noted, is a property of the quantum wave function, not of particles or atoms.

And you need to cite your sources.

Yes and that is exactly what I said and then you brought up quantum entanglement, which is part of the theory of quantum mechanics. Anyway the whole point is yes atoms and particles CAN exist in 2 places at once as I asserted. It has proven repeatedly and no one questions it, so stop arguing against it. 

Here is the Nobel prize website and the article citation.  
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2012/press-release/
https://bigthink.com/dr-kakus-universe/nobel-prize-awarded-to-two-quantum-physicists

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(November 11, 2018 at 10:58 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:54 pm)Everena Wrote: I know all that. I was the one who said superposition and then she brought up quantum entanglement and went on and on about how an atom and a particle or electron cannot possibly exist in 2 places at once. I am already fully aware that it can and that was my entire point to begin with, and they are all part of the theory of quantum mechanics which has been proven beyond any and all doubt and is being used all over the world and has been for years and years now. Quantum biology is now theorizing that bacteria can exist in 2 places at the same time and it is just a matter of time before we prove this is possible on the macro level.   https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

Then why are you talking about "spooky action at a distance" having anything to do with superposition, (YOU posted the article link about something that had NOTHING
to do with what you were talking about). Obviously you are very confused. You already posted this article, and nowhere does it say anything about a bacteria being in two places at once, and you can quote NO PLACE in it, that it does say this. You're simply lying out your ass.

I am not confused at all. I was quoting an article that was about EXACTLY what I was talking about. I think you have some mental health issues, and the article regarding bacteria is right there in my last post.

(November 11, 2018 at 11:00 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:54 pm)Everena Wrote: I know all that. I was the one who said superposition and then she brought up quantum entanglement and went on and on about how an atom and a particle or electron cannot possibly exist in 2 places at once. I am already fully aware that it can and that was my entire point to begin with, and they are all part of the theory of quantum mechanics which has been proven beyond any and all doubt and is being used all over the world and has been for years and years now. Quantum biology is now theorizing that bacteria can exist in 2 places at the same time and it is just a matter of time before we prove this is possible on the macro level.   https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

So many distractions from you.

My experience with god is real.  I know it.  I don’t have to prove it to you.  You are the one who is deciding there is an afterlife on your own.  I have experiences with the one true god, and I know that there is no afterlife, because he did not design us that way.  The same method, personal experience, leads two people to two different conclusions.  Mutually exclusive conclusions.  What does that tell you about the reliability of personal experience? 

So .... no technologies. 
No quotes from the article that demonstrate what you claim. 
I see. 

Any common psycho says their experiences are real also. Your rantings are not credible. They are not reproducible. You don't have to prove it, but you also cannot expect anyone to take you seriously. No one here does. 

"What does that tell you about the reliability of personal experience?"
It's unreliable ... thanks for making my point.

(November 11, 2018 at 11:00 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 10:54 pm)Everena Wrote: I know all that. I was the one who said superposition and then she brought up quantum entanglement and went on and on about how an atom and a particle or electron cannot possibly exist in 2 places at once. I am already fully aware that it can and that was my entire point to begin with, and they are all part of the theory of quantum mechanics which has been proven beyond any and all doubt and is being used all over the world and has been for years and years now. Quantum biology is now theorizing that bacteria can exist in 2 places at the same time and it is just a matter of time before we prove this is possible on the macro level.   https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...milestone/

So many distractions from you.

My experience with god is real.  I know it.  I don’t have to prove it to you.  You are the one who is deciding there is an afterlife on your own.  I have experiences with the one true god, and I know that there is no afterlife, because he did not design us that way.  The same method, personal experience, leads two people to two different conclusions.  Mutually exclusive conclusions.  What does that tell you about the reliability of personal experience?

That you are making something up in an attempt to get attention. We KNOW God exists and that there is an afterlife, and some day you will too and you will realize how silly you sound to those of us who know these things beyond any and all doubt.

Quote:Yes and that is exactly what I said and then you brought up quantum entanglement, which is part of the theory of quantum mechanics. Anyway the whole point is yes atoms and particles CAN exist in 2 places at once as I asserted. It has proven repeatedly and no one questions it, so stop arguing against it. 

Here is the Nobel prize website and the article citation.  
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2012/press-release/
https://bigthink.com/dr-kakus-universe/nobel-prize-awarded-to-two-quantum-physicists

All misinterpretations nice try 

Quote:I am not confused at all. I was quoting an article that was about EXACTLY what I was talking about. I think you have some mental health issues, and the article regarding bacteria is right there in my last post.

No that would be you