(November 12, 2018 at 11:37 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Ev
Are you under the impression that you and CDF believe the same things..or...what?

We both know that a creator God exists, we both believe that the soul exists separately from the body, we both believe in reward/redemption and we both believe in eternal life.

(November 12, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 12:18 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Regardless of what the truth is, we choose to be truthful and honest with ourselves. That honesty is what makes people recognize truth without falsehood and dishonesty is what mixes falsehood with truth.

As for God, if he exists, and I believe he does, then love towards him is a connection, it's not going to be something like how you see everything else, it's a pointer, and it needs to hold to the perfect pointer, or else, like my Deist days, will just make up God to be my stupid thoughts that have no reality or basis, and I will fabricate who he is by mere whims.

Recognizing God as oppose to creating who he is, is the greatest trial. Atheists are mostly hated, because they are unconvinced with all this made up gods, that are not worth people's time.

But the proof for God and recognizing him, it's something most humans trivialize, and instead use God for their political Agendas, for their egos, for hate, for justifying wars, etc...

It's no wonder some humans just think get rid of the big thing on top, and we can get along better!

Yes, I agree with you. Too many horrific things have happened that were supposedly done in the name of religion.  And too much suffering exists in our world and it makes people wonder about what kind of God would allow this to happen? It took me a long time to make my own peace with all of that, but I never really lost faith. I have just always felt a sense a purpose for being here, and I could never imagine a state of not being alive.

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(November 12, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Which part is not true?  That you are in your right mind?

If you were stating that literally, you do realize that you are claiming that 93% of the world is not in their right mind.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Yes. And you would think otherwise?

The fact that you think Christianity is the truth despite the fact that initially 93% of the people even in societies that later embraced it thought chritianity was amoral lunacy makes it clear you have no problem writing off the sanity of 93% of the people if that suited your argument.

As it happens even real Progress is never initiated or initially embraced by 93% of the people. So the 93% of the world’s people is not of the sort of right mind that sees beyond trivial easy to embrace fantasies.

(November 12, 2018 at 11:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: A testable claim!   Okay, tried..nope..can't do it.  How about you, can you choose to be an atheist?

1.2.3. Go!

I couldn't at this point in my life because God has been proven to me beyond any and all doubt. I certainly could have chosen to be brainwashed atheist at most points in my life, especially with a family full of skeptics and agnostics/atheists.

(November 12, 2018 at 12:32 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 11:37 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Ev
Are you under the impression that you and CDF believe the same things..or...what?

We both know that a creator God exists, we both believe that the soul exists separately from the body, we both believe in reward/redemption and we both believe in eternal life.

You don’t know it. But You so fervently wish it that you willfully deceive yourself by completely denying the overwhelming possibility that nothing resembling your conception of god exists.

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(November 12, 2018 at 12:36 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 11:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: A testable claim!   Okay, tried..nope..can't do it.  How about you, can you choose to be an atheist?

1.2.3. Go!

I couldn't at this point in my life because God has been proven to me beyond any and all doubt. I certainly could have chosen to be brainwashed atheist at most points in my life, especially with a family full of skeptics and agnostics/atheists.

You don’t have the right mind to grasp what proven really means.

(November 12, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 12:27 pm)Everena Wrote: Yes, I agree with you. Too many horrific things have happened that were supposedly done in the name of religion.  And too much suffering exists in our world and it makes people wonder about what kind of God would allow this to happen? It took me a long time to make my own peace with all of that, but I never really lost faith. I have just always felt a sense a purpose for being here, and I could never imagine a state of not being alive.

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If you were stating that literally, you do realize that you are claiming that 93% of the world is not in their right mind.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Yes.  And you would think otherwise?

The fact that you think Christianity is the truth despite the fact that initially 93% of the people even in societies that later embraced it thought chritianity was amoral lunacy makes it clear you have no problem writing off the sanity of 93% of the people if that suited your argument.

As it happens even real Progress is never initiated or initially embraced by 93% of the people.  So the 93% of the world’s people is not of the sort of right mind that sees beyond trivial easy to embrace fantasies.

I am not a Christian. I think all religions are man made but with a very good purpose in mind.

(November 12, 2018 at 12:36 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 11:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: A testable claim!   Okay, tried..nope..can't do it.  How about you, can you choose to be an atheist?

1.2.3. Go!

I couldn't at this point in my life because God has been proven to me beyond any and all doubt. I certainly could have chosen to be brainwashed atheist at most points in my life, especially with a family full of skeptics and agnostics/atheists.

Testimony is testimony, it is useful for finding people with similar minds, not useful for convincing people with different views!

Keep posting you will learn the ways!

(November 12, 2018 at 12:36 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 11:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: A testable claim!   Okay, tried..nope..can't do it.  How about you, can you choose to be an atheist?

1.2.3. Go!

I couldn't at this point in my life because God has been proven to me beyond any and all doubt. I certainly could have chosen to be brainwashed atheist at most points in my life, especially with a family full of skeptics and agnostics/atheists.

If you can't do it, then it's not a choice. End of story.

(November 12, 2018 at 12:38 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Yes.  And you would think otherwise?

The fact that you think Christianity is the truth despite the fact that initially 93% of the people even in societies that later embraced it thought chritianity was amoral lunacy makes it clear you have no problem writing off the sanity of 93% of the people if that suited your argument.

As it happens even real Progress is never initiated or initially embraced by 93% of the people.  So the 93% of the world’s people is not of the sort of right mind that sees beyond trivial easy to embrace fantasies.

I am not a Christian. I think all religions are man made but with a very good purpose in mind.

Whether the particular fantasy is Christian or not doesn’t matter at all. 93% of the people didn’t embrace it at the beginning and yet you think they are wrong.

The purpose of religion is to exploit the gullibility of people by dangling something they want but can never get or be granted in order to make potentially thinking people into better unthinking sheep to be fleeced.

(November 12, 2018 at 12:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 12:36 pm)Everena Wrote: I couldn't at this point in my life because God has been proven to me beyond any and all doubt. I certainly could have chosen to be brainwashed atheist at most points in my life, especially with a family full of skeptics and agnostics/atheists.

If you can't do it, then it's not a choice.  End of story.

She doesn't recognize it but leaving certainty for irrational doubt and conjecture, can always happen to a human. She is not free of that danger, only Prophets and the chosen guides, and chosen ladies like Sarah and May are.

We all can let go of holding on to God otherwise, we aren't free from swerving and turning aside to misguidance and doors that lead astray!

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(November 12, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 12:38 pm)Everena Wrote: I am not a Christian. I think all religions are man made but with a very good purpose in mind.

The purpose is to make potentially thinking people into better unthinking sheep to be fleeced.

True.. all religions have that purpose except that religion from God which people are trying to equate at the same level of those man made sheep herding astray leading clergy worshiping religions.

(November 12, 2018 at 12:38 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 12, 2018 at 12:36 pm)Everena Wrote: I couldn't at this point in my life because God has been proven to me beyond any and all doubt. I certainly could have chosen to be brainwashed atheist at most points in my life, especially with a family full of skeptics and agnostics/atheists.

If you can't do it, then it's not a choice.  End of story.

So what you are both saying is that you could not make the choice to believe in God even if you wanted to. Is that correct? If so, what makes you so convinced that this entire universe and all conscious life could just come to be from nothing, out of thin air?