(November 13, 2018 at 6:39 am)Pandæmonium Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 3:37 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: You'll be telling us that God made perfectly shaped bananas for us next.

He posted once here, you know. Ray whatahisface.

Can’t rememver the exact thread but it was on a thread discussing that infamous incident and I believe we managed to confirm it was him.

I hope you gave him a nice welcome

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Quick.. Lock the thread.

I wonder if we can make post #6666 on page 666. That would definitely require locking the thread.

That is unless you think you're making any kind of progress with CDF47 ...

(November 13, 2018 at 6:51 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: Quick.. Lock the thread.

Oh if only

Especially that we're now on page 666 ... ooohhhh ...

(November 13, 2018 at 3:10 am)Everena Wrote: Evolution is a human made term used to describe a process that we discovered was happening. It does not explain the first cause of anything including food. So no, that does not explain why we have food on this planet for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life.

"All of this food is miraculous"- said the food.

What, do you imagine, explains the fact that human beings had to actively breed and cultivate our food - that it did not exist at all when we found ourselves hungry and looking around for it? If the existence of food demonstrates a meat fairy, then wouldn't the lack of food demonstrate that there is no meat fairy? Or was meat fairy starving us hoping that we would learn something..like, how to starve?

Obviously, I don't think so, because even though I think that meat fairy is ridiculous shit, I wouldn't attach it's existence -or- non existence to such an incompetent argument, but you don't have that luxury. Additionally, seeing as how you refuse to believe in a cold and unjust universe.....how does a cold and unjust god who creates human beings but doesn't create our food make your cut? Your fridge and your freezer are both full of things that humans created out of necessity, after all.

Artificial selection is precisely how we got the things we eat, and how we've made them more delicious than they naturally were, and we selected those cultivars out of evolved populations. There's nothing about our food that evolution doesn't explain. How does referring to something false right on the face of it establish the truth of an existent god? How does denying some factual statement about reality help to establish that your god statements are, themselves, factual? Wouldn't an existent god have to..well..exist, in a universe alongside other true things and statements?

Ideally, you'll learn to stop making this argument from your interactions here, because it damages the credibility of your beliefs - but it doesn't have to, you're the one forcing things to be this way..and it's unclear why you couldn't believe in the meat fairy if you ceded the ground in this to facts rather than your own ignorance.

(November 13, 2018 at 7:28 am)Khemikal Wrote: Artificial selection is precisely how we got the things we eat, and how we've made them more delicious than they naturally were, and we selected those cultivars out of evolved populations.  There's nothing about our food that evolution doesn't explain.  

This is what a wild banana looks like. Notice the inedible seeds.

OFC, and that's part of why bananamanite arguments will be consistently savaged.  A person asserts that only god can explain our food and is informed, in no uncertain terms..that we explain our food.  

(I wonder if ev is familiar with the saga of the bananaman?)

I run on the general assumption that no matter how ridiculous a persons beliefs may be, it's important...at least to them, that they present those beliefs in a way that does not damage their credibility - that possessing some explanation of their beliefs which isn't demonstrably false with respect to known facts and..further, in a way that isn't internally contradictory, is a preferred state of affairs for the believer.  If all that the faithful used their interactions with the faithless to do was improve their own explanation for their beliefs this would be a win win for everyone involved, including the faithful advocate of a meat fairy.

So, while we wait to hear back from Ev on whether or not it matters -to her- that her beliefs not contradict known facts..let's turn our attention instead to internal consistency.

The rejection of a cold and cruel universe or cold and cruel god is not consistent with a soul making theology.  A soul making theology positively asserts that this world is full of coldness and cruelty and indifference.  If it weren't a cold and cruel world there would be no need to invoke some better world where all wrong is made right, where a person is compensated for enduring that coldness and cruelty.  The soul making theology asserts that god -intentionally- subjects us to natural evil..it doesn't reject a world overfilling with it - it asserts another world where we find the justice absent in this one.   If this natural evil were not present there would be no soul mill..so to speak, to refine our spirits like so much raw grain.

A person advocating for soul making theology is telling us in the strongest terms that a cold and cruel universe -does- make perfect sense to them, as a soul improving machine. The gears turn and grind all of this life, this flesh and bone..to dust...but in the process of that create a finished product of us. This universe (and/or this god) -is- cruel and cold, but hopes that the application of natural evil will improve us. Now, while I don't believe in any of that shit - I do think it's important for people who do to understand what it is they believe..if for no other reason than to accurately express it to others.

-and there's another thing we'll just have to wait and see if Ev cares about. Is it important -to her- that she understand her own propositions as they relate to her beliefs.... and can accurately communicate them?

(November 13, 2018 at 3:10 am)Everena Wrote: It was stumbled into? Are you kidding? We have genitals and males and females can reproduce and you are seriously going to pretend that we just stumpled into our sex drive? Did we trip over something when we were drunk and stumple into it? I mean, come on!

And we have reproductive organs so obviously there is a very incredibly important intent behind everything. Wake up!!!!

Your utter lack of understanding about the process of natural selection and evolution is not an argument.  Every post you make displays how completely ignorant you are of the sciences.  Random changes happen as organisms reproduce; natural selection filters the changes that enhance survival from those that hinder it.  We are not an intentional end product and trying to explain things by assuming that we are is just wrong.  Once you let go of that erroneous and incredibly arrogant assumption things make much more sense and don't require a magical overseer.

Quote:God did not create our true selves, we always have been and always will be. God created our flesh here. Obviously we are in serious need of improvement to deserving of  an eternal paradise and some much more than others.

Evidence please.  What would be the point of creating fleshbots that are "in serious need of improvement" to entrap pre-existing spritis in order to "test" them to see if they are worthy?  The gnostic ideas were dismissed as heretical nearly two thousand years ago.  You are behind the curve on this one.

Quote:I refuse to believe any unfair, unjust, cold, cruel world theory.

Good for you but you sound like a 4-year-old stamping her little feet and refusing to east her green beans.  When you start with what you want to be true your conclusions are worthless.

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unfogged Wrote:There's zero credible evidence of past lives.

That is not true at all. There is a ton of credible evidence from Dr Ian Stevenson alone.

Only if you are incredibly gullible. There are many claims but nothing testable or verifiable.


"So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You’d better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can’t rearrange the universe." -- Isaac Asimov