(November 16, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 1:48 pm)Everena Wrote: You can't prove it's not just adaption and neither can science.

You can address any of the examples of speciation events which have been provided to you..at any time.

Sure can: They could just as easily be examples of adaption. The species is only changing in minor ways, not turning into an entirely different species. It is just specualated that if you add millions of years it will become a different species. Sheer speculation. Nothing observable except plants. Plants do not convince me that every species on earth has turned into an entirely different species. I think it's fine if it convinces you. I am a bigger skeptic than you are. You have failth in these men to have integrity, not be biased and not be in it for the money. I don't. I can see why they think so though and why others in the scientific community agree with them, but I am still not convinced. It is a theory that is partly fact, and partly speculation and that just bugs me.

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(November 16, 2018 at 1:56 pm)Grandizer Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Everena Wrote: No one knows. Maybe they needed them to propel through shallower parts of water at one point in history.

I see you're back from suspension. You would rather continue to speculate than to follow the evidence, eh?

They are speculating the whole thing. That doesn't seem to bother you.

(November 16, 2018 at 3:07 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The word 'intelligent' is ambiguous. In common language, it connotes exceptional intelligence, but I gather you are using it in its most basic sense of being capable of behavior, including machine-like intelligence.

Everena: No, machines do not have intelligence of any kind.

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: All life is intelligent in the sense that it can have an automatic reaction to stimuli.
Computers and biological viruses can do the same, even though they aren't, strictly speaking, alive.

Everena: No they can't. They are programmed by conscious and intelligent people or they would do nothing.

(November 15, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The way you phrased your initial assertion that intelligence is required for life to exist seemed to heavily imply that you were talking about the godlike intelligence of a creator deity, not the perishable and very limited intelligence common to bacteria and humans.

Everena: Bacteria does not have intelligence. It is comparable to plant life, not conscious life and there are many important distinctions. This is from an earlier post of mine when you were not here. This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. How and why do we have consciousness? Science doesn't know the answer to that. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like why do we exist at all? Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 7.8 million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. Also, it is statistically impossible for all the functions of the human body to have evolved without some intelligent force underlying it all. Additionally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? Add all that to a planet with a enormous amount of useful materials and resources and it becomes very evident that higher intelligence must exist.

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(November 15, 2018 at 6:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: God designed us like that, obv.  Weird that god needed to create DNA, isn’t it? 😏 I mean, why isn’t everything in existence consisting of one homogeneous, irreducible, magical substance?

Everena: We don't believe in magic, you do. We believe in higher intelligence. You think this all magically appeared by itself.

I believe you are a magical troll. 😏

(November 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 1:44 pm)Everena Wrote: Evolution is not fact. It is a theory that is full of tons of conjecture and speculation. It could proven wrong tomorrow with one new discovery. You simply believe it on your faith in men.

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It is not observable proof that one species turns into an entirely different species.

 By your own criteria, yes it is, lol.  Troll.

I am entitled to my own opinion. I am putting you on ignore for becoming angry at me for simply me expressing my own opinion. You should do the same thing to me, if someone having a different opinion than you do bothers you so much.

(November 16, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:  By your own criteria, yes it is, lol.  Troll.

I am entitled to my own opinion. I am putting you on ignore for becoming angry at me for simply me expressing my own opinion. You should do the same thing to me, if someone having a different opinion than you do bothers you so much.

You are indeed entitled to your own opinion. However, you are not entitled to your own facts, which is what you typically present your opinions as. Have fun ignoring any and all who "get angry" at that. You'll soon be "conversing" in a vacuum more pure than that which lies between your ears.

(November 16, 2018 at 5:29 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You can address any of the examples of speciation events which have been provided to you..at any time.

Sure can: They could just as easily be examples of adaption. The species is only changing in minor ways, not turning into an entirely different species. It is just specualated that if you add millions of years it will become a different species. Sheer speculation. Nothing observable except plants. Plants do not convince me that every species on earth has turned into an entirely different species. I think it's fine if it convinces you. I am a bigger skeptic than you are. You have failth in these men to have integrity, not be biased and not be in it for the money. I don't. I can see why they think so though and why others in the scientific community agree with them, but I am still not convinced. It is a theory that is partly fact, and partly speculation and that just bugs me.

Saying any old thing is hardly addressing anything.  You have been presented with examples of observed speciation events.  

Bitching about men, will not change that.  I don't even know why you think it would be relevant, it's not as if each example has a quick peen indicator.

No one has asked you to have faith in anything.  You could, if you were so inclined, observe a speciation event yourself. That speciation events occur is not a theory, it is an observed phenomena. Speculation doesn't bother you...let's be a little less duplicitous, lol. What bothers you, is that you've been made aware..in no uncertain terms..that some portion of your faith was based upon a demonstrable falsehood. It's embarrassing, I get it - and yes...you should have known better.......but you could always improve your faith when confronted with facts, couldn't you?

(November 16, 2018 at 2:03 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm)Everena Wrote: Evolution is not fact. It is a theory that is full of tons of conjecture and speculation. It could proven wrong tomorrow with one new discovery. You simply believe it on your faith in men.

Actually it could not be proven wrong tomorrow. The fact that you say that demonstrates how little you know about the current state of science. Every single major university in the entire world teaches it, and modern medicine assumes it and works on the basis of it. Any one scientist who could actually come up with an actual challenge to it, would be instantly wealthy and get a Nobel. Science is VERY competitive ... very often the competitors hate each other's guts. They would do *anything* to prove the competition wrong. There is no other theory that explains what is observed, that works as well, and YOU don't have one.

The field of Evolutionary Biology is only like 290 people, with most of them working under someone else. It's like a small company and none of them are trying to disprove evolution. They are all trying to make strides in genetics or newer theores. Evolution is considered settled science. They decided they were right and I'm still not saying that they are wrong. I'm saying only that there is one part of their proven theory that is not proven. One species turning into an entirely different species has only flimsy evidence and huge amounts of conjecture and speculation, I am not convinced. Maybe one day they will convince me. Don't let my personal skepticism bother you. I also think all religions are man made. I am a skeptic of everything pretty much. But I do know God exists beyond and all doubt and someday you will too.

(November 16, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 1:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:  By your own criteria, yes it is, lol.  Troll.

I am entitled to my own opinion. I am putting you on ignore for becoming angry at me for simply me expressing my own opinion. You should do the same thing to me, if someone having a different opinion than you do bothers you so much.

LOL. Oh, I’m angry?  Weird, I don’t feel angry.  More like I’m exposing your obvious bs.  Love youuuuu! 😘

Cool story, but if god does exist, it exists in a universe where observed speciation events also exist, and it's participation is not required to explain this universe, this planet, or this life.

(November 16, 2018 at 5:49 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 5:34 pm)Everena Wrote: I am entitled to my own opinion. I am putting you on ignore for becoming angry at me for simply me expressing my own opinion. You should do the same thing to me, if someone having a different opinion than you do bothers you so much.

LOL. Oh, I’m angry?  Weird, I don’t feel angry.  More like I’m exposing your obvious bs.  Love youuuuu! 😘

When someone needs to reduce their position to an opinion you know they have lost

(November 16, 2018 at 2:16 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 16, 2018 at 2:04 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Everena: I had mutual shared experiences with another person that were verified on the spot. And he said it first both times so that proved it to me even more. Are you going to pretend we both had epilepsy? You know nothing about what anyone else has experienced. And I understand evolution better than you do. It is full of conjecture and speculation and has no observable evidence. Adaption is the only proven part of the theory. You believe it based on your faith in men.

Yes.  Given theists' usual reluctance to discuss the specifics of such experiences, it's hard to know anything at all about them, aside from that we should be skeptical of their experiences for the same reason that we are skeptical of anyone who claims something extraordinary but is uncommonly tight-lipped about the details.  Such people frequently show themselves to be mistaken, lying, or simply foolish.  Would you care to dispel these suspicions by providing us with the specific details of these experiences by which you claim to know God?

 You have to experience these things yourself to really know how real and convincing it is. It took so so so much to convince me beyond any doubt. I could not believe I was even getting all this proof of God. I never thought I would because I always believed in God anyway. Now I no longer fear death and it is so freeing.

 One of the things we experienced together was this huge powerful good energy in the room, like nothing I have ever felt before or since. And he said, "Oh my God, what is that?" And I said " I don't know. It feels like God is right here with us" We were totally sober and it was mind blowing. And then we had another more personal experience togther that so overwhelming and spiritual, and amazing too. And in addtion to that I have had numerous unexplainable signs of God to the point that there is doubt left at all. There is no valid explanation or way to just write these things off. You don't know me, but i am skeptical of everything. 

 I strongly believe that everyone has these kinds of experiences, but just at different points in life.