(November 17, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Everena Wrote: I am sorry to hear about all the pain you have suffered through. I have suffered quite a bit myself. Not anything I am willing to share, but abuse combined with some very horrifying suffering from an illness that went on for many, many years of my life. All I can say is, the pain is happening to us, Wouldn't you rather have an explanation for it and knowledge of a better life to come than to just think this all happened to you for no reason and then you die and go nowhere? What God revealed to me is that I am suffering for what I have done over a thousand lifetimes, all in just this one life, because it was the way my soul chose to suffer it. I think you have a revelation coming, and when it comes, the understanding will bring you peace. And you do have a wife. So don't ever think that you don't.

Quote:That would be an example of a soul who came to teach lessons of compassion, empathy, and kindness. To help people bring the important things in life into perspective.

Quote:It is true. It is 67% of scientists if you count the social scientists and 51% if you don't. The link is posted already. 80% of doctors believe in God and the afterlife. Also posted.

(November 17, 2018 at 8:19 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:That would be an example of a soul who came to teach lessons of compassion, empathy, and kindness. To help people bring the important things in life into perspective.

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Quote:It is true. It is 67% of scientists if you count the social scientists and 51% if you don't. The link is posted already. 80% of doctors believe in God and the afterlife. Also posted.

Wow. Ms Logical can even get two fallacies in one sentence.
1. a populum fallacy and 2. argument from authority fallacy.

(November 17, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 7:11 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Karma-driven reincarnation may be more morally reprehensible than hell.

I was born with Arthrogryposis Multiplex Congenita.  Between 4 months of age and my early 20s, I had 43 surgeries in order to give me what limited physical ability I currently enjoy.  Osteotomies, mostly, which fucking hurt.  In addition to the surgeries themselves, I've had a fuckton of rehab and physical therapy.  For the first half of my life, the cycle was that by the time I felt like myself again, it was time for another surgery, then months of recovery and rehab.

Due to my physical status, I also suffer from chronic pressure sores.  Which hurt almost constantly.  And have become infected, before.  I can say from firsthand experience that MRSA isn't fun.

Because of my physical issues, I need help with all activities of daily living.  That means: bathing, cleaning, preparing food, going to the bathroom, etc.  Everything an able bodied person can just do without thinking, I need assistance with.  Which means I'll never have a wife.  I'll never have children.  There's a pretty good chance that I'm going to spend the last half of my life (decades) in a nursing home environment, with no privacy, no ownership of anything aside from my wheelchair and some clothes.  You can probably imagine what that can do to one's self-esteem and outlook on life.

Now, according to your belief system, my current living hell is, what, divine punishment for something I may have done in some past life?  Something I have absolutely no recollection of?  How unbelievably cruel the divine grace and wisdom you so smugly defend is.  Perhaps it would be different if I had some knowledge of my assumed previous misdeeds (although, it's hard for me to imagine anyone short of an actual tyrant or warlord deserving a life like this), but I have been afflicted since birth.  An infant, literally the shape of a human pretzel inside my mother's womb.  And all of the trials and tribulations I've been through - the pain, the fear, the social isolation, the sadness - from day 1 is what I deserve because of karma?

And you want us to be convinced by you?  To gleefully join you in belief in some deity or master plan that not only does this to one person, but millions around the globe?  That this system you imagine is the intentional creation of some wondrous being?  Maybe next time I'll be born as some African girl, only to be beaten, raped, and killed by a roving gang.  Won't that be a hoot.

I am sorry to hear about all the pain you have suffered through. I have suffered quite a bit myself. Not anything I am willing to share, but abuse combined with some very horrifying suffering from an illness that went on for many, many years of my life. All I can say is, the pain is happening to us, Wouldn't you rather have an explanation for it and knowledge of a better life to come than to just think this all happened to you for no reason and then you die and go nowhere? What God revealed to me is that I am suffering for what I have done over a thousand lifetimes, all in just this one life, because it was the way my soul chose to suffer it. I think you have a revelation coming, and when it comes, the understanding will bring you peace. And you do have a wife. So don't ever think that you don't.

(November 17, 2018 at 8:08 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Everena

Past lives .... woo woo. OMG. LMFAO.

After drooling all over about how "logical" she is, Ms. Woomeister actually is saying that infants with cancer are suffering for the pain they intentional caused.
Jesus. This bitch be cray-cray.

That would be an example of a soul who came to teach lessons of compassion, empathy, and kindness. To help people bring the important things in life into perspective.

Quote: Wouldn't you rather have an explanation for it and knowledge of a better life to come than to just think this all happened to you for no reason and then you die and go nowhere? 

Quote:That would be an example of a soul who came to teach lessons of compassion, empathy, and kindness. To help people bring the important things in life into perspective.

Quote:Wouldn't you rather have an explanation for it and knowledge of a better life to come than to just think this all happened to you for no reason and then you die and go nowhere? What God revealed to me is that I am suffering for what I have done over a thousand lifetimes, all in just this one life, because it was the way my soul chose to suffer it.

(November 17, 2018 at 11:29 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: One does not get to simply make up the reality one finds most comforting.

(November 17, 2018 at 8:14 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 7:08 pm)Everena Wrote: It is true. It is 67% of scientists if you count the social scientists and 51% if you don't. The link is posted already. 80% of doctors believe in God and the afterlife. Also posted.

I'll see your 51% and raise you 36 more. 87% of scientists accept that life on Earth is the result of evolution guided solely by natural processes. By your reasoning Creationism must be rejected.