Everena: And that is still better than pretending it all just magically appeared, as you do.

(November 19, 2018 at 2:26 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote: You argue God designed the Universe as He is the only being capable of such a feat.

How did the Universe come into being? I don't think it magically appeared. Let me introduce to the Big Bang Theory. 

According to this theory, our universe sprang into existence as a singularity around 13.7 billion years ago. Singularities are thought to exist at the core of black holes. Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. After its initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang"), expanded and cooled, going from very, very small and very, very hot, to the size and temperature of our current universe. It continues to expand and cool to this day.

I don't know how the singularity came to be. But unlike you, I do not assume it is the handiwork of a God you haven't proven the existence of. 

Everena: Higher intelligence is the logical explanation. Speaking of the Big Bang, here is an amazing, beautiful  3 minute 42 second video depiction of the Big Bang. Coolest thing any atheist ever shared with me. Check it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Om5TNJVmE

Some folks are a case example in unintelligent design.

(November 19, 2018 at 2:36 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Some folks are a case example in unintelligent design.

Don't talk about yourself that way. You just need an education.

If I was such an example..that would still be an argument against intelligent design.

(November 19, 2018 at 2:33 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: And that is still better than pretending it all just magically appeared, as you do.

Theists are the ones that appeal to magic. We look for a naturalistic answer to the origins of the universe.

And I would like to remind you that no supernatural answer has ever, in the history of the world, been found to actually be an answer to anything when properly investigated.

(November 19, 2018 at 2:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 19, 2018 at 2:33 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: And that is still better than pretending it all just magically appeared, as you do.

Theists are the ones that appeal to magic. We look for a naturalistic answer to the origins of the universe.

And I would like to remind you that no supernatural answer has ever, in the history of the world, been found to actually be an answer to anything when properly investigated.

Everena: Wrong. We believe higher intelligence was involved in the creation of this universe. You are the ones who require magic as your explanation. Define "natural" in that context.

There's no reason that a "higher intelligence" couldn't be natural.  To be blunt..the things you've hilariously asked others to explain have been, in nearly every instance..the product of a "higher intelligence".  Namely, ourselves.

Aint nothin magical about me, or my dick.

(November 19, 2018 at 1:24 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 19, 2018 at 10:00 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: So you're admitting that you have no experience with having a delusion and coming out the other side.  Given that, I must repeat my question, which you have twice deflected instead of answering.  

If you were deluded, how would you know?

Because I have a rational mind and I am aware of what my experiences are. What psychotic disorder do you have?

Schizo-affective disorder. People with mental disorders and delusions have rational minds and are aware of what their experiences are, too. You seem to be under some misunderstanding regarding mental illness. In particular, mental illness impairs one's abilities to reason selectively, and specifically with regard to the content and faculties in specific areas. Outside those areas, people with mental illness are no less functional or capable than people without such conditions. And that's to say nothing of the possibility, broadly speaking, of it being appropriate to categorize certain behaviors that exist independent of a mental disorder as delusional, a topic that spurs much debate. Additionally, personally speaking, I have been free of the delusions which afflicted me and impacted my thinking for several years now.

So while I understand that you sincerely think that being otherwise rational and aware of your experiences makes the possibility of delusions unlikely, it does not. People who are no different from you in that regard suffer delusions all the time. And people who are under delusions also think that they are rational and aware of their experiences, too. So, nice try, but no cigar. Try again.

"The theory is that the brain is a receiver of our consciousness"
No. Flat out ---- NO.
Once again, Lying Everena has MIS-characterized a scientific article. The article does NOT say what she is claiming.

NO ONE in Neuro-science EVER says that the brain is the "receiver" of consciousness, and she can quote NO SCIENTIST that says that.
Her posted link to PHYS.org, IN THE SECOND sentence, says precisely the opposite.
"that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons"
DERIVES .... (is not "received) and in fact is synonymous with "emerges" (from) which is the current thinking. NOT RECEIVED.

Typical religionist lying woo-woo.

Consciousness emerges. It is not received.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5924785/

(November 19, 2018 at 2:26 pm)TwoKnives99 Wrote:

(November 19, 2018 at 1:52 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: And that is still better than pretending it all just magically appeared, as you do.

You argue God designed the Universe as He is the only being capable of such a feat.

How did the Universe come into being? I don't think it magically appeared. Let me introduce to the Big Bang Theory. 

The problem with this moron is that she already believes that space-time has existed and has done so since eternity. Her God is a species of that space-time, not separate from it or its creator. The hard part is figuring out where space-time came from originally, but science has some ideas about that. Once you've cleared that hurdle, the existence of the particulars of our existence are a snap. Yet she somehow thinks that postulating a temporally eternal God obviates an explanation for space-time, and that once space-time is granted, that a silly ball of energy God is not only useful, but required. Once you grant space-time as a whole, Occam's razor cuts God off at the knees, regardless of whether we can explain dicks and dayquil or not.

And given Bucky Ball's prior post, I'd like to make a plug for Hanlon's razor. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."