(November 22, 2018 at 11:19 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 12:15 am)Everena Wrote: You talking about Jesus? Jesus was wonderful. A peaceful and positive man with an important message, who redeems those who want to be redeemed.

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Jesus could have easily preached, "It is, and has always been, immoral to own another human being as property. He who does not turn his face against it is a coward, and he who would practice it is lower than a beast."

A wonderful person? Not hardly.

He could not change the laws of the land, and perhaps he was trying to prevent them from being beaten or thrown out into the streets homeless.

Quote:I didn't believe Jesus was God until I attended a Bible study on the deity of Jesus and it was convincing.  There were numerous verses referenced in the presentation.  I have an Excel file with all the verses but I cannot attach it here.  Ultimately, Jesus is the Son of God in the Triune godhead.  Even in the beginning of the Bible the relationship of God within himself is shown when the Scriptures state, let us create man in our image, after our likeness.  There are other instances of the Triune godhead in the OT.

Actually those plural references are due to the fact that the Hebrew priests took their myths from Babylonian mythology, in which El Elyon was the chief of the council of gods. 
It has NOTHING at all to do with a triune god, (which ANY JEW would tell you IS NOT what any Jew, then or now, bought into).
A "son of god" for Jews did not, EVER mean what Christians turned it into.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articl...son-of-god

"The Pious as Sons of God.
The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha contain a few passages in which the title "son of God" is given to the Messiah (see Enoch, cv. 2; IV Esdras vii. 28-29; xiii. 32, 37, 52; xiv. 9); but the title belongs also to any one whose piety has placed him in a filial relation to God (see Wisdom ii. 13, 16, 18; v. 5, where "the sons of God" are identical with "the saints"; comp. Ecclus. [Sirach] iv. 10). It is through such personal relations that the individual becomes conscious of God's fatherhood, and gradually in Hellenistic and rabbinical literature "sonship to God" was ascribed first to every Israelite and then to every member of the human race (Abot iii. 15, v. 20; Ber. v. 1; see Abba). The God-childship of man has been especially accentuated in modern Jewish theology, in sharp contradistinction to the Christian God-sonship of Jesus. The application of the term "son of God" to the Messiah rests chiefly on Ps. ii. 7, and the other Messianic passages quoted above."

(November 22, 2018 at 11:09 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 11:04 am)Grandizer Wrote: Who would you consider to be righteous leaders in this world?

Exactly.  I doubt we ever see it. The Bible describes things getting worse in the end times, not better.

Thanks for answering. I've been curious for a while. What do you think about New Agers and their beliefs? Would you consider them to be Christians and therefore have already been saved by grace through faith [in Jesus Christ]?

(November 22, 2018 at 7:31 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:We were not made by any designer. Our souls are who we are. who we always have been and who we always will be. This flesh is the only thing that was made by God. And redemption from sin. Read what I believe if you are truly interested. I already explained what I believe, more than once.

Yeah. So you made up some crazy shit ... bla bla bla.
No one cares about your stupid cult of one.

Practically the entire world agrees with most of my beliefs. I am not worried about what some deluded atheists think, whose idea of fun is to insult and lie about people who are much smarter than they are.

(November 22, 2018 at 11:48 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 11:21 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: His sermons on the evils of rape are also conspicuously absent from the record.

The Lord is not silent on this matter.  See Deuteronomy 22:25 - 27, "But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die: 26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter: 27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her."

More information about rape in the Bible is below:

https://erlc.com/resource-library/articl...al-assault

Yes, but it also says this:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24

“If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor’s wife. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.”

Victim blaming at its finest! Why couldn't we have a commandment against rape? Because your narcissistic God was taking up several otherwise good slots for his own onanistic endeavours.

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(November 22, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 11:19 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Jesus could have easily preached, "It is, and has always been, immoral to own another human being as property. He who does not turn his face against it is a coward, and he who would practice it is lower than a beast."

A wonderful person? Not hardly.

He could not change the laws of the land, and perhaps he was trying to prevent them from being beaten or thrown out into the streets homeless.

He couldn't? Just how impotent is your favorite shrieking ball of don't care, just suck my dick?

(November 22, 2018 at 2:57 am)Everena Wrote: We do not disagree, except for with you. People have their own beliefs about minor details, but the main points, and the overlying beliefs are all the same.

(November 22, 2018 at 9:44 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Minor details like whether Christ was God and that salvation and heavenly reward can only be achieved through Him?

Honestly, you say stupid shit like this and expect people to take you seriously?  You must take massive amounts of pharmaceuticals to cope with the cognitive dissonance.

A minor detail because you can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever believing he is God. My point is that all religions teach basically the same thing, with all the core beliefs being very similiar.

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(November 22, 2018 at 9:44 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: No, scratch that.  Given your utter stupidity and inability to correctly judge anything, you may very well be in a hell of your own making.

Karma's a bitch!

Everyone in the entire world is in a hell of their own making.

(November 22, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 2:57 am)Everena Wrote: We do not disagree, except for with you. People have their own beliefs about minor details, but the main points, and the overlying beliefs are all the same.

(November 22, 2018 at 9:44 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Minor details like whether Christ was God and that salvation and heavenly reward can only be achieved through Him?

Honestly, you say stupid shit like this and expect people to take you seriously?  You must take massive amounts of pharmaceuticals to cope with the cognitive dissonance.

A minor detail because you can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever believing he is God. My point is that all religions teach basically the same thing, with all the core beliefs being very similiar.

You don't think believing that Jesus is God is a core belief with Christians, and that your not believing it is similar to their doing so?

What planet do you hail from, again, Princess?

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(November 22, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 9:44 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: No, scratch that.  Given your utter stupidity and inability to correctly judge anything, you may very well be in a hell of your own making.

Karma's a bitch!

Everyone in the entire world is in a hell of their own making.

(November 22, 2018 at 12:20 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Everena Wrote: A minor detail because you can follow the teachings of Jesus without ever believing he is God. My point is that all religions teach basically the same thing, with all the core beliefs being very similiar.

You don't think believing that Jesus is God is a core belief with Christians, and that your not believing it is similar to their doing so?

What planet do you hail from, again, Princess?

It is only a core belief if they leave Mark 10:18 out of their Bible, where Jesus clearly states that he is not pure good and he is not the ONE true God. Christian beliefs vary, because there are different interpretations and we are all very different people. Some people can only envision God as a humanlike figure and that is all they are comfortable with. I could never see God as human even if I wanted to. Having different ideas about what God may really be does not change the teachings and moral concepts and basic core beliefs of the religion.

(November 22, 2018 at 12:11 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 7:31 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Yeah. So you made up some crazy shit ... bla bla bla.
No one cares about your stupid cult of one.

Practically the entire world agrees with most of my beliefs. I am not worried about what some deluded atheists think, whose idea of fun is to insult and lie about people who are much smarter than they are.

You must have been very lonely, friendless and lacking in any creditable adult accomplishements or life choices for you to seek so hard faux validation in pretending how many people agree with you, and bragging about being smart, cuz, like, you’ve “been to college”, which as we all know, is a singlarly incontravertable mark of not being stupid in a 21st century first world country, just as would be, no doubt, if 93% of the least educated and most gullible had actually agreed with you.

No wonder you are in hell.   Heaven’s standard is just too high.

(November 22, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 22, 2018 at 12:20 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You don't think believing that Jesus is God is a core belief with Christians, and that your not believing it is similar to their doing so?

What planet do you hail from, again, Princess?

It is only a core belief if they leave Mark 10:18 out of their Bible, where Jesus clearly states that he is not pure good and he is not the ONE true God. Christian beliefs vary, because there are different interpretations and we are all very different people. Some people can only envision God as a humanlike figure and that is all they are comfortable with. I could never see God as human even if I wanted to. Having different ideas about what God may really be does not change the teachings and moral concepts and basic core beliefs of the religion.

Okay, why don't you go preach that message to the Westboro Baptists. We'll be calling you "Our Little Kashoggi."