Quote:They are suffering regardless of what my philosophy is. And as someone who has suffered a great deal, it is better to have an explanation for why the pain is happening and an eventual positive outcome, than to think the pain is just happening for no reason, and then you die and go nowhere.

Actually I've found people like to told the honest truth, no matter how hard it is.
Once again the infantile Everena thinks she gets to make up shit because (according to her) it produces a better outcome.
Just make up whatever you want, because it makes you feel better. Hedonism, I guess. How very odd.
Delusional, and Utilitarian. Utilitarianism is a slippery slope.

So, according to you, your mother only suffered because of the pain she caused others.
Sorry. There is no Santa or Easter Bunny. Obviously you can't accept that.

(November 26, 2018 at 4:36 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:They are suffering regardless of what my philosophy is. And as someone who has suffered a great deal, it is better to have an explanation for why the pain is happening and an eventual positive outcome, than to think the pain is just happening for no reason, and then you die and go nowhere.

Once again the infantile Everena thinks she gets to make up shit because (according to her) it produces a better outcome.
Just make up whatever you want, because it makes you feel better. Hedonism, I guess. How very odd.
Delusional, and Utilitarian. Utilitarianism is a slippery slope.

So, according to you, your mother only suffered because of the pain she caused others.
Sorry. There is no Santa or Easter Bunny. Obviously you can't accept that.

Indeed pure argument from consequences

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One has to wonder if habitual arguing from consequence contribute to symptoms of schizophrenia.

Even though you have NO credentials or expertise in the field, and don't even understand the most basic concepts in science. LOL.
Ah yes... but you're the one who's going to open for us the mysteries of the universe.

Another thing the god-botherers do, is use science, (including evolution as practiced in medicine with antibiotics engineered to get around EVOLVING bacteria),
ie they call 911, if they have chest pain or other things. They don't just pray, if they pray at all, and avail themselves of EVERY cure science has researched and found, to maintain life. They're in no hurry to get to their god(s). There is no evidence theists ever say "OK, stop the treatments, I'm ready for heaven" ... any more often than anyone else. They don't *really* believe much it appears. If they do, it has no practical effect.

(November 26, 2018 at 3:28 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

Quote:Paleophyte:
God needlessly created suffering.
God is malevolent.

Quote:Everena: Only atheists believe in death. We believe in eternal life.

Changing the subject doesnt equal an answer (subject: suffering. Answer: death). Even if we never died, Paleos statement wouldnt have been refuted. We would be able to eternally suffer which is.......hmmm...even worse than temporal, needless suffering?

You just made his argument stronger for him.

No and what you cut out that I said was that people only ever suffer pain that they have intentionally caused to others. God is not malevolent, people are. And there is no real death and I do not believe in eternal suffering.

More fantasy rationalization.

(November 26, 2018 at 4:19 pm)Everena Wrote: [quote pid='1858801' dateline='1543261134']

LOL You are a joke. You are the only one with any bad karma from your ridiculous unfounded lies and accusations and your childish sexist name calling and freakish behaviors when God wins and you lose. 
 And you have never been brow beaten by anyone here, you're just pissed off because I can beat you at your own game while at the same time getting rewards in heaven for it. HA!

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Little valley girls who *need* (and have repeatedly done so) .. to claim they "beat" people, and REPEATEDLY *need* to claim they "won"
betray their maturity level (playground level) and vast insecurity every time they do it. Just like Donald Trump. Everena is as insecure as Trump is.
She has converted NO ONE here. No one buys her silly little made up shit about living forever, and the BS about souls.
But she *needs* to keep telling herself she "beat" someone. How bizarre.

(November 26, 2018 at 5:27 am)Amarok Wrote: So more of her pop science bullocks that she has not even read

What pop science are you claiming that I have never even read? Be specific.

She keeps playing the same dead tone

(November 26, 2018 at 4:19 pm)Everena Wrote: LOL You are a joke. You are the only one with any bad karma from your ridiculous unfounded lies and accusations and your childish sexist name calling and freakish behaviors when God wins and you lose. 
 And you have never been brow beaten by anyone here, you're just pissed off because I can beat you at your own game while at the same time getting rewards in heaven for it. HA!

(November 26, 2018 at 4:51 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Little valley girls who *need* (and have repeatedly done so) .. to claim they "beat" people, and REPEATEDLY *need* to claim they "won"
betray their maturity level (playground level) and vast insecurity every time they do it. Just like Donald Trump. Everena is as insecure as Trump is.
She has converted NO ONE here. No one buys her silly little made up shit about living forever, and the BS about souls.
But she *needs* to keep telling herself she "beat" someone. How bizarre.

You will never spend another honest day as an atheist no matter what you want to pretend in front of a group of other atheists. Atheism is illogical to the point of being impossible.

And I am not a valley girl.