(November 26, 2018 at 8:10 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 7:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: As most of you know, we live in a reality where you have to kill and eat other living organisms to survive. That sort of ghastly behaviour can really only be explained by a malevolent deity to begin with, but it's worse than even that.

Trophic Efficiency is a measure of how effective biological systems are at moving energy through the ecosystem. It's at about 10% per energy transfer. That means that it takes 1000 calories of grass to make 100 calories of cow, to make 10 calories of human, to make 1 calorie of grave worms.

So not only do you have to kill and eat other living creatures to survive, you have to kill ten times as many! This sort of gruesome mess can only be reconciled with a particularly hateful god.

What a load of crap. We do not have to kill any other living creatures to eat.
Herbivores (you know cows, goats, horses, deer, rhinos, monkeys, sheep, rabbits,some fish etc) eat no meat and kill nothing to survive.
And Omnivores (you know humans, pigs, bears, lizards, turtles, some fish, rats and almost every other species on earth) are only eating meat by choice. I guess you have never met any vegetarians or vegans in your life. We do not have to kill anything to survive but it is fairly convenient that we can eat dead animals to survive if we need to. You are just trying to twist reality to fit your totally illogical and twisted worldview. Sorry, no dice.

Nay ye daft bint! The twsitiness and excrement be fully thine. Forsooth! The "herb" unto "herbivore" be the subtle hint. Or dinna ye ken as plants be quick also? Mayhaps it is thee as needs the schooling.

(November 26, 2018 at 7:08 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

Divine Malevolence as Demonstrated by Trophic Efficiency

As most of you know, we live in a reality where you have to kill and eat other living organisms to survive. That sort of ghastly behaviour can really only be explained by a malevolent deity to begin with, but it's worse than even that.

Trophic Efficiency is a measure of how effective biological systems are at moving energy through the ecosystem. It's at about 10% per energy transfer. That means that it takes 1000 calories of grass to make 100 calories of cow, to make 10 calories of human, to make 1 calorie of grave worms.

So not only do you have to kill and eat other living creatures to survive, you have to kill ten times as many! This sort of gruesome mess can only be reconciled with a particularly hateful god.

Quote:But that's because of "the fall"

  And a *very* intelligent designer.

BTW Snookums Everdumb, there are species that ONLY eat meat, "obligate carnivores" .... I guess according to your Tasty Plant theory, there weren't any when they EVOLVED. LMAO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore
"Animals that depend solely on animal flesh for their nutrient requirements are called obligate carnivores while those that also consume non-animal food are called facultative carnivores."
Oh well .... so much for your nonsense about Tasty Food. If they ONLY eat meat, they couldn't have existed until AFTER there were other animals to eat.
They gave out the Ignobel Awards the other day. You deserve one.

(November 26, 2018 at 8:34 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:You are an ignorant fool who I have proven wrong time and time again.

There you go again. Boasting you won something (when you never once have, and can show not one instance) ... because you're nuts and SOOO insecure, you have to keep telling yourself that. You are SO stupid that when I raised epigenetics AFTER you said there was a "new code found" ... you didn't even know it was called epigenetics, and accused me of changing the subject. The only idiot you have ever proven wrong is yourself, sweetie.

Quote:And I am far more educated than you are. All you do is spew ignorant untrue crap almost non-stop. Penrose believes in the soul and eternal life and that consciousness is coming from the universe. He is just not religious and does not believe in the Christian God.

Penrose SAID he was an atheist sweetie. Get over it.

Quote:You will never spend another honest day as an atheist no matter what you want to pretend in front of a group of other atheists. Atheism is illogical to the point of being impossible.

LOL. Aren't we just all high and mighty, making our pronouncements out our rear end.

Quote:And I am not a valley girl.

That may be true. Calling you a Valley Girl is an insult to Valley Girls.

Yup he's an atheist 

During an interview with BBC Radio 4 on September 25, 2010, Penrose states, "I'm not a believer myself. I don't believe in established religions of any kind. I would say I'm an atheist"Not to mention there is no contradiction to any of Penrose idea's and Atheism .

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Quote:Herbivores (you know cows, goats, horses, deer, rhinos, monkeys, sheep, rabbits,some fish etc) eat no meat and kill nothing to survive. 

Plants are not alive apparently and Apparently animals choose there food rather then you know eat something to survive when the opportunity presence itself .

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And apparently the concept of ecosystem is also foreign were countless creatures benefit from the death of other creatures.

(November 26, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 6:58 pm)sdelsolray Wrote: Yes, Poster Everena exhibits many symptoms for each of the four DSM-5 Cluster B personality disorders:

Borderline Personality Disorder.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Histrionic Personality Disorder.
Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Oh yes, and the old- believers are crazy bit. Over 93% of the world must just be crazy. Yes, you are so intelligent. That must be it.

Note the denial, folks, with side salads of the argument from popularity and tu quoque fallacies. This is additional evidence of Poster Everena's personality disorders. A secular mental health professional is greatly needed in her life, perhaps as a surrogate soul mate, but, of course, that would require Poster Everena to be honest with herself...something she has yet to demonstrate she is capable of doing.

(November 26, 2018 at 9:00 pm)sdelsolray Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Everena Wrote: Oh yes, and the old- believers are crazy bit. Over 93% of the world must just be crazy. Yes, you are so intelligent. That must be it.

Note the denial, folks, with a side salads of the argument from popularity and tu quoque fallacies.  This is additional evidence of Poster Everena's personality disorders.  A secular mental health professional is greatly needed in her life, perhaps as a surrogate soul mate.

Indeed and isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over (repeating the same fallacies ) and expecting different results (us not to face palm )

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(November 26, 2018 at 9:01 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

To be fair she said death not suffering but she's also full of it as herbivores definitely kill things to live . Plus need i point out many herbivores vicious cold blooded killers .

(November 26, 2018 at 9:04 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 9:00 pm)sdelsolray Wrote: Note the denial, folks, with a side salads of the argument from popularity and tu quoque fallacies.  This is additional evidence of Poster Everena's personality disorders.  A secular mental health professional is greatly needed in her life, perhaps as a surrogate soul mate.

Indeed and isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over (repeating the same fallacies ) and expecting different results (us not to face palm )

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The evidence clearly demonstrates Poster Everena repeats herself frequently in this thread. I haven't counted precisely, but I suspect she has repeated her disingenuous '93% of humanity agrees with me argument from popularity' at least 20 times, perhaps 30 times. The depth and scope of her mere assertions are rather shallow.

(November 26, 2018 at 9:04 pm)Amarok Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 9:01 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

To be fair she said death not suffering but she's also full of it as herbivores definitely kill things to live . Plus need i point out many herbivores vicious cold blooded killers .

Fun fact that I like to tell vegivores that get self-righteous at me: The crunch that your carrot makes means that it was still alive when you bit it.

Quote:Are you going to pretend that people don't have a history of doing truly horrifying things? Terrorists and suicide bombers, people commiting mass genocide in some parts of the world, Hitler, Nazis and the Holocaust. the burning of over 200,000 "witches" in the 14th and 15th, and 16th century, the KKK burning black people to death, the mass rapes and beatings of people all over the world during times of war, child enslavement and forced prostitution, early American settlers raping and murdering Native Americans and it just goes on and on.

Yup and that's what causes hurricanes children

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(November 26, 2018 at 9:16 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 9:04 pm)Amarok Wrote: To be fair she said death not suffering but she's also full of it as herbivores definitely kill things to live . Plus need i point out many herbivores vicious cold blooded killers .

Fun fact that I like to tell vegivores that get self-righteous at me: The crunch that your carrot makes means that it was still alive when you bit it.

Also i have yet to meet a vegetarian who does not bathe guess all those microorganism don't count as life either . I wonder if they would let parasite live in them as not to kill something . I often wonder how many animals die so they can have life giving medicine .

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Remember all those children who died of smallpox died because people weren't nice and there is some magically hidden reason for it .

(November 26, 2018 at 5:42 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 4:30 am)CDF47 Wrote: Do you secretly worship RA?  You write RAmen.  Are you cheating on FSM?

Here's Ramen:



You should try it. Any decent Japanese place should have it.
There is the risk that you might convert and become an FSM worshiper...

No, thanks.  I think I will stick with Christianity.

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(November 26, 2018 at 6:40 am)Mathilda Wrote: So 900 pages. Has anyone changed their opinion or gained some new insight yet? Has CDF47's argument changed in any way?

My argument remains the same.  I haven't changed my opinion.