(November 26, 2018 at 11:32 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 11:23 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Plants suffer distress when damaged. They don't suffer pain the way we do, but even singe-celled organisms suffer. Plunk an amoeba on a hotplate and it'll writhe in agony. Your lack of empathy is disturbing.

Everena: Plants suffer? Bullshit lies.

Prove it. Single-celled organisms suffer and plants are more complex than that. We know that they respond to damage and that other plants respond to those, so they even communicate their suffering.

Quote:And an amoeba is not a plant, it is a parasite.

No, it's a whole group of single-celled organisms, some of which are parasitic. Remember I was mentioning single-celled organisms? Do try and keep up.

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Quote:Regardless, all those carnivores out there eat animals that shriek and writhe I an agony that you can comprehend. They do this according to their instincts. They have no choice in the matter but to maim and kill and rend.

God is malevolent.

Everena: NOPE. People are malevolent

Human malevolence doesn't excuse Divine malevolence. Your deity is still on the hook for carnivores and natural disasters. Every gazelle that dies shrieking with a carnivore gnawing through its neck is another of God's horrors.

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Quote:I'm not talking about all your DNA, just the ERV. Try again while I laugh at you arguing against the other 97%.

We share 60% of our DNA with a banana and 90% of our DNA with tiny mice. Does not mean we are them? No, it just means we are all made of similiar stuff. The differences that remain are quite obviously the only important differences.

ERV, not DNA. Both three letter so I know it's confusing.

(November 26, 2018 at 11:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Prove it. Single-celled organisms suffer and plants are more complex than that. We know that they respond to damage and that other plants respond to those, so they even communicate their suffering.

Quote:And an amoeba is not a plant, it is a parasite.

No, it's a whole group of single-celled organisms, some of which are parasitic. Remember I was mentioning single-celled organisms? Do try and keep up.

Quote:Everena: NOPE. People are malevolent

Human malevolence doesn't excuse Divine malevolence. Your deity is still on the hook for carnivores and natural disasters. Every gazelle that dies shrieking with a carnivore gnawing through its neck is another of God's horrors.

Quote:We share 60% of our DNA with a banana and 90% of our DNA with tiny mice. Does not mean we are them? No, it just means we are all made of similiar stuff. The differences that remain are quite obviously the only important differences.

ERV, not DNA. Both three letter so I know it's confusing.

And even if plants can't suffer only cruel god would create a system were killing was necessary for survival that alone suggests a cruel god and indeed no matter how bad humans are that does not excuse natural suffering and her comment about DNA does not help her .

(November 26, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:We share 60% of our DNA with a banana and 90% of our DNA with tiny mice. Does not mean we are them? No, it just means we are all made of similiar stuff. The differences that remain are quite obviously the only important differences.

Holy hell the stupid

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(November 26, 2018 at 11:45 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And is especially funny when she uses it after arguing that only 7% of the population are atheists.

Incidentally, that number smells fishy. I mean China, right? So I looked it up. According to the 2015 Gallup International Religiosity Index it's 11% confirmed atheists and another 22% not religious. 4% were DNR, so she can't claim more than 63% "on her side". Though a lot of that 63% would have her put to death in rather gruesome ways, so "on her side" might be stretching it.

Everena: You mean 93%? 2015 was 3 years ago, and this one has polls from 2017 and 2018    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism  Either way, it has hovered around 90% for decades now. But you don't care anyway, remember?

But Paleo you need to convince her that her assertions are  wrong .....Apparently 

Everena: Just specify what you think I was wrong about. No one has yet and it has been 16 days of me asking.

(November 27, 2018 at 12:04 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Amarok Wrote: Holy hell the stupid

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But Paleo you need to convince her that her assertions are  wrong .....Apparently 

Everena: Just specify what you think I was wrong about. No one has yet and it has been 16 days of me asking.

1. The bolded point is simply another assertion and a argument from credulity 

2.Once again ad populum

(November 27, 2018 at 12:02 am)Amarok Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 11:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Prove it. Single-celled organisms suffer and plants are more complex than that. We know that they respond to damage and that other plants respond to those, so they even communicate their suffering.


No, it's a whole group of single-celled organisms, some of which are parasitic. Remember I was mentioning single-celled organisms? Do try and keep up.
Everena: Again you are wrong and uneducated to the point of being annoying. Do try to get that. And amoebas are not plants fool.

Human malevolence doesn't excuse Divine malevolence. Your deity is still on the hook for carnivores and natural disasters. Every gazelle that dies shrieking with a carnivore gnawing through its neck is another of God's horrors.

Everena: God is only "on the hook" as you say. with ridiculous, uneducated, illogical atheists who don't believe in God anyway. The smart 93% of the world does not have these issues with understanding that this earth is our challenge, not God's challenge.
ERV, not DNA. Both three letter so I know it's confusing.

And even if plants can't suffer only cruel god would create a system were killing was necessary for survival that alone suggests a cruel god and indeed no matter how bad humans are that does not excuse natural suffering  and her comment about DNA does not help her .

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(November 27, 2018 at 12:09 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Everena: Just specify what you think I was wrong about. No one has yet and it has been 16 days of me asking.

Everything.

You think you get to make assertions with no evidence ... so I guess "everything", and in your world that's enough. 
Ta ta.

All I have stated are facts and my beliefs.

Quote:Everena: Just specify what you think I was wrong about. No one has yet and it has been 16 days of me asking.

Everything.

You think you get to make assertions with no evidence ... so I guess "everything", and in your world that's enough. 
Ta ta.

(November 27, 2018 at 12:04 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Amarok Wrote: Holy hell the stupid

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But Paleo you need to convince her that her assertions are  wrong .....Apparently 

Everena: Just specify what you think I was wrong about. No one has yet and it has been 16 days of me asking.

You're wrong about the 93%. You can claim 63% as confirmed religious at best. You're citing a Wikipedia page and I'm getting my data from Gallup. You remember Gallup don't you? A mere 3 years changes very little.

(November 27, 2018 at 12:04 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Amarok Wrote: Holy hell the stupid

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But Paleo you need to convince her that her assertions are  wrong .....Apparently 

Everena: Just specify what you think I was wrong about. No one has yet and it has been 16 days of me asking.

Again i don't need to convince you that you are wrong and yes everyone has  ripped your nonsense to pieces over the last 16 days and have stated "what you got wrong " so this request is simply dishonest or you really are this deluded and thus no recap from me will be of much use .

Sometimes our plants suffer under my care. 

(November 26, 2018 at 11:46 pm)Amarok Wrote: Holy hell the stupid

I know, it's like faceplam and ohmigod had a child.