Quote:Everena: That they are alive was not his whole point. That we are hurting them was his point. Learn to read or stay out of it. And plants are not conscious life, and we are not hurting them. They are very obviously on this earth to provide us with food.

Nope the fact they are alive is a sufficient point wither they are conscience or not and it far from obvious and not relevant if they were put here or not and i'll comment on whatever the fuck i want .

Quote:Everena: Everything happens for a reason.

Assertion 

Quote:Everena: What I linked was math that proves something you don't like. 

You linked ID propaganda it has fuck all to do with what i like 

Quote:Everena: Yes, any can do the same math. It's in various articles all over the internet.

It's on bad articles all over the internet using shitty ID distortions of math 

Quote:Everena: It was not an opinion. Statististics do not require biologists to be present. It is high level math done on a scientific calculator that no biologist would even understand. And biologists are not God. Wake up.

Yes it is you supplied  a quote and yes statistics require you understand the thing you are calculating and biologists use math all the time relevant to their field .Nope not gods but neither are mathematicians or again are they biologists

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(November 27, 2018 at 1:23 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Everena: God is only "on the hook" as you say. with ridiculous, uneducated, illogical atheists who don't believe in God anyway.

Kinda like Roger Penrose then ?

Indeed the atheist

(November 27, 2018 at 1:23 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:Everena: God is only "on the hook" as you say. with ridiculous, uneducated, illogical atheists who don't believe in God anyway.

Kinda like Roger Penrose then ?

And no doubt unlike everena who has attained such lofty educational attainments as to have “been to college” in the 21st century, and who is not at all ridiculous bragging as an adult about having been in a program for gifted youth, and who, as she amply demonstrated, knows a thing or two, or zero, about logic, while showcasing her modest, charming, even tempered and delightfully engaging personality.

Actually Stephen Meyer is SO f'ing stupid that he says "mathematical Basis for Probability Calculations Used in (the film) Origin
Excerpt: Putting the probabilities together means adding the exponents. The probability of getting a properly folded chain of one-handed amino acids, joined by peptide bonds, is one chance in 10^74+45+45, or one in 10^164 (Meyer, p. 212). This means that, on average, you would need to construct 10^164 chains of amino acids 150 units long to expect to find one that is useful." 

Not only is that NOT what that probability means, but :
In fact this is how one arrives at a probability :
Rule of Multiplication The probability that Events A and B both occur is equal to the probability that Event A occurs times the probability that Event B occurs, given that A has occurred.

Not only is Meyer wrong, but in recommending that video, Snookums proves she has not the slightest clue what she is drooling about. 

(November 26, 2018 at 10:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 9:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I believe there is micro-evolution, adaptation, mutations,..., but not in macro-evolution.  I do not believe a species can change kinds.

Then how do you account for the fact that we share 97% of our ERV with chimpanzees? ERV are Endogenous RetroViruses, viruses that inserted themselves into your DNA, got stuck there, and eventually were transmitted to the entire species. We share 97% of ours with the chimps, and that's the same virus in the same location with the same mutations and the same LTR "header" and "footer". Similarities of  ERV are also seen in other primates and more distantly related organisms, with decreasing similarity observed between more distantly related organisms.

This is precisely what the theory of common descent predicts. How do you account for it?

Similar design but totally different species.

(November 27, 2018 at 2:41 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 10:36 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Then how do you account for the fact that we share 97% of our ERV with chimpanzees? ERV are Endogenous RetroViruses, viruses that inserted themselves into your DNA, got stuck there, and eventually were transmitted to the entire species. We share 97% of ours with the chimps, and that's the same virus in the same location with the same mutations and the same LTR "header" and "footer". Similarities of  ERV are also seen in other primates and more distantly related organisms, with decreasing similarity observed between more distantly related organisms.

This is precisely what the theory of common descent predicts. How do you account for it?

Similar design but totally different species.

You can’t be both similar at a fundamental level and yet be totally different, bozo.

Yes, different species that share similar design because they descended from a common ancestor but are differetnt because they needed to adopt to different environment and because by not interbreeding, did not subject their respective gene pools to the homogenizing influence that would have halted the naturally diverging influence of mutation.

You denial of reality in favor of a rather sad and totally morally bankrupt misanthropic fantasy is really getting tiresome. You ignorance and stupidity is less than those of Everena only by a modest degree, there is no fundamental thing that makes your belief, and the fact that you chose to believe it, less pathetic and less a disgrace to you than hers and her belief in them is to her.

(November 27, 2018 at 1:20 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Fact: The oldest pig in the world lived to the age of 68.

Damn, that is an old pig.

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(November 27, 2018 at 1:23 am)Everena Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 10:05 pm)CDF47 Wrote: DNA

I'm going back to work tomorrow so you will have to fill the gap if you're up to it with these super fun dudes and dudettes (at least if you are interested in getting this to 1000 pages like they are) I will only be able to be on for a few minutes a day now. It was very nice chatting with you though. Thank you for the great thread. May God always bless you abundantly.

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(November 27, 2018 at 1:20 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Fact: The oldest pig in the world lived to the age of 68.

LOL Now that is an old pig.

OK, I will try to keep up with them as much as I can.  Hey, 1000 pages would be cool.  No problem.  Thank you for joining in on the discussions.  May God bless you always as well!

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(November 27, 2018 at 2:49 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 27, 2018 at 2:41 am)CDF47 Wrote: Similar design but totally different species.

You can’t be both similar at a fundamental level and yet be totally different, bozo.

Yes, different species that share similar design because they descended from a common ancestor but are differetnt because they needed to adopt to different environment and because by not interbreeding, did not subject their respective gene pools to the homogenizing influence that would have halted the naturally diverging influence of mutation.

You denial of reality in favor of a rather sad and totally morally bankrupt misanthropic fantasy is really getting tiresome. You ignorance and stupidity is less than those of Everena only by a modest degree, there is no fundamental thing that makes your belief, and the fact that you chose to believe it, less pathetic and less a disgrace to you than hers and her belief in them is to her.

You are the bozo, bozo.  LOL.  They have a similar design as do other creatures in nature.  We see similar body plans, DNA,...  They were just designed similarly.

(November 27, 2018 at 3:06 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 27, 2018 at 1:20 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Fact: The oldest pig in the world lived to the age of 68.

Damn, that is an old pig.

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(November 27, 2018 at 1:23 am)Everena Wrote: I'm going back to work tomorrow so you will have to fill the gap if you're up to it with these super fun dudes and dudettes (at least if you are interested in getting this to 1000 pages like they are) I will only be able to be on for a few minutes a day now. It was very nice chatting with you though. Thank you for the great thread. May God always bless you abundantly.

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LOL Now that is an old pig.

OK, I will try to keep up with them as much as I can.  Hey, 1000 pages would be cool.  No problem.  Thank you for joining in on the discussions.  May God bless you always as well!

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(November 27, 2018 at 2:49 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: You can’t be both similar at a fundamental level and yet be totally different, bozo.

Yes, different species that share similar design because they descended from a common ancestor but are differetnt because they needed to adopt to different environment and because by not interbreeding, did not subject their respective gene pools to the homogenizing influence that would have halted the naturally diverging influence of mutation.

You denial of reality in favor of a rather sad and totally morally bankrupt misanthropic fantasy is really getting tiresome. You ignorance and stupidity is less than those of Everena only by a modest degree, there is no fundamental thing that makes your belief, and the fact that you chose to believe it, less pathetic and less a disgrace to you than hers and her belief in them is to her.

You are the bozo, bozo.  LOL.  They have a similar design as do other creatures in nature.  We see similar body plans, DNA,...  They were just designed similarly.

They are designed similarly because they were not designed but evolved from a common origin, bozo.

(November 27, 2018 at 3:21 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 27, 2018 at 3:06 am)CDF47 Wrote: Damn, that is an old pig.

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OK, I will try to keep up with them as much as I can.  Hey, 1000 pages would be cool.  No problem.  Thank you for joining in on the discussions.  May God bless you always as well!

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You are the bozo, bozo.  LOL.  They have a similar design as do other creatures in nature.  We see similar body plans, DNA,...  They were just designed similarly.

They are designed similarly because they were not designed but evolved from a common origin, bozo.

They are designed similarly because they were designed from a similar plan.

Right God just happened to make the creatures who look related look related without them being for mysterious reasons .

(November 27, 2018 at 3:24 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 27, 2018 at 3:21 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: They are designed similarly because they were not designed but evolved from a common origin, bozo.

They are designed similarly because they were designed from a similar plan.

Because your god is too stupid to come up with more originality?


No, they were designed similarly because evolution did the designing, bozo.


Are you truly so pathetic that you can not contenance the thought that some
Imaginary totalitarian dictator won’t save you, so you will turn a blind eye to reality while denying turning a blind eye to reality all to better kiss up to the imaginary divine totalitarian dictator without offending the imaginary Totalitarian dictator by admitting he is a totalitarian dictator?