(November 28, 2018 at 6:42 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:07 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Standard creationist ploy.

I did not say all animals have consciousness you liar. I did say fungi are just plants and should be classified as plants.

And you don't seem smart at all to me either. But then, no one who would willfully choose atheism does. And you have not been able to effectively argue any of my points of logic and those are totally my own. Go ahead and try and let's see how smart you are.



This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like, why do we exist at all? Why does anything exist at all? Why do we have conscious self-awareness? 
Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. 

And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 8.7  million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well. 

And it is impossible for the complex code of DNA to have just created itself from nothing with no intelligence. If you think it is possible, then explain how that kind of complexity could ever possibly come to be without a driving force of intelligence. 

Recently, scientists discovered a second language written on top of the original language that is responsible for controlling our genes. Who knows what they will discover next? 
https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/

Additonally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? 

Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? How would that even make sense?

And what about all the vast materials and resources we have on this planet like: fire, electricity, metals, coal, cotton, lye, latex to make rubber, glass etc etc. That would not just all be here by sheer luck or chance either.

And, what you are doing by claiming atheism is paramount to saying that big rock in your front yard created a universe. Not possible.

Still talking out of your arse, I see. Did the midwife drop you on your head at delivery?

(November 28, 2018 at 6:19 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:It is his opinion as a molecular chemist that macroevolution is not plausible. That is all.

Why not actually talk to an Evolutionary Biologist who works in the field ? Afraid of what you'd hear ?
Argumentum ad vericundiam fallacy.
That IS all you got, and it's not enough, Snookums.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/libra...cat05.html

Evolutionary Biologists are not God Bucky. There is a whole world full of intelligent people who not are biologists. Get over them. You sound like you are in love with them and worship them. They are just people like you.

(November 28, 2018 at 6:10 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 5:52 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: How many Steves do you have?

(November 28, 2018 at 1:13 am)Everena Wrote: How many Steve's do I have? Hmmmm.      

So what is your take on these recent findings?

Unsurprising. Have you read any of it? I'm doubting it since the paper talks about speciation at great length.

"The simplest interpretation is that life is always evolving," said Stoeckle.

(November 28, 2018 at 6:49 pm)Wololo Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:42 pm)Everena Wrote: I did not say all animals have consciousness you liar. I did say fungi are just plants and should be classified as plants.

And you don't seem smart at all to me either. But then, no one who would willfully choose atheism does. And you have not been able to effectively argue any of my points of logic and those are totally my own. Go ahead and try and let's see how smart you are.



This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like, why do we exist at all? Why does anything exist at all? Why do we have conscious self-awareness? 
Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. 

And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 8.7  million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well. 

And it is impossible for the complex code of DNA to have just created itself from nothing with no intelligence. If you think it is possible, then explain how that kind of complexity could ever possibly come to be without a driving force of intelligence. 

Recently, scientists discovered a second language written on top of the original language that is responsible for controlling our genes. Who knows what they will discover next? 
https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/

Additonally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? 

Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? How would that even make sense?

And what about all the vast materials and resources we have on this planet like: fire, electricity, metals, coal, cotton, lye, latex to make rubber, glass etc etc. That would not just all be here by sheer luck or chance either.

And, what you are doing by claiming atheism is paramount to saying that big rock in your front yard created a universe. Not possible.

Still talking out of your arse, I see.  Did the midwife drop you on your head at delivery?

So... that is your argument? You have no argument for any of my logic so you think insulting me will make you look cool? LMFAO. Argue it or leave me alone.

Ev - I'm beginning to think you're a 13 yr old goth girl who gets super angry when she doesn't understand something.

(November 28, 2018 at 6:50 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:10 pm)Everena Wrote: So what is your take on these recent findings?

Unsurprising. Have you read any of it? I'm doubting it since the paper talks about speciation at great length.

"The simplest interpretation is that life is always evolving," said Stoeckle.

We all know that. We all believe in adaption aka microevolution. Anyway, looks like one species turning into an entirely different species is going down the tubes.

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(November 28, 2018 at 6:51 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Ev - I'm beginning to think you're a 13 yr old goth girl who gets super angry when she doesn't understand something.

Oh really? What is it that you are claiming I don't understand? And be specific.

(November 28, 2018 at 6:51 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:49 pm)Wololo Wrote: Still talking out of your arse, I see.  Did the midwife drop you on your head at delivery?

So... that is your argument? You have no argument for any of my logic so you think insulting me will make you look cool? LMFAO. Argue it or leave me alone.

In order to argue your logic you have to first display logic. You're just spouting meaningless bullshit.

No need for me to argue meaningless bullshit, it is self defeating.

(November 28, 2018 at 5:56 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 3:53 am)CDF47 Wrote: ID is no fad.  They are entering into a new phase of ID where they experiment and test their hypotheses.

"The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory."

Judge John E. Jones III, Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District (2005)

That case was a joke and should have never happened.

(November 28, 2018 at 6:42 pm)Everena Wrote: I did not say all animals have consciousness you liar.

(November 16, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Everena Wrote: 7.8 million species of conscious life on this planet

So, that's all the animals that you are claiming are conscious, no?

(November 28, 2018 at 7:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 5:56 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: "The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory."

Judge John E. Jones III, Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District (2005)

That case was a joke and should have never happened.

No, it shouldn't have happened.

Parents and teachers have no right to push a pseudo-science like ID into public schools and try to claim it's fact.

But they keep trying, hence the reason yrials like this happen. Decent parents keeping religious claims disguised (badly) as "science" out of schools.