False. It is not beyond reasonable doubt. There is no observable evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Amarok Wrote: False and you know it 

Oh really? Show me some evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species that is not plants.


So, you can't because you're wrong, got it

(November 28, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Amarok Wrote: It's been done  so this game won't work and i don't need to convince the agenda driven their wrong 

You mean you have no argument because you're wrong. People who are right, prove it.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Amarok Wrote: No, it was written that way, because it casts more doubt on the theory whether you like it or not. And none of the articles I posted were from creationists. They were all from science.

Yes it was and no it doesn't  in the slightest and the scientists know it as did every "Real " scientist who read it and what i like is not even a factor here. The only people who interpreted it your way were quacks and creationists And wither you used creationist sites you did the same bullshit they did .

Pretend whatever makes you happy. You all just choose to be science deniers as soon as science does not agree with your twisted illogical worldview.

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(November 28, 2018 at 10:34 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:18 pm)Everena Wrote: No kidding, and I have already said that I think fungi and sponges are plants and should be classified as such. Can you not come up with even one other thing in my  810 posts over the last 18 days? I start on page 588. Go right ahead and dig in.

Yes Dear.

But you already said we had to be;

 A) Specific.
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And name one thing.

I was specific. I was correct. I was singular.

No amount of ".... But, but maah feels!" is going to, in effect, cut it.

 To which we will most probably , and simply, see more iterations of ".. But, but I said so."

I was not even talking to you, and what was insinuated was not about me thinking fungi should be classified as plants. Name one thing besides that if you really want to join in on this lame lie. I'll be waiting.

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(November 28, 2018 at 9:35 pm)Everena Wrote: I think if a species mates in a consious manner, and has a penis that it injects a female with, it is conscious.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That's a fascinating definition. I think I begin to see why you think "microtubules" are involved.

Your definition is lovingly circular. A species must be conscious in order to mate "in a conscious manner" and if it mates "in a conscious manner" then clearly it is conscious. But what makes you think that barnacles do anything other than blindly follow instinct? It isn't as if the have a lot to work with in terms of brains.

Perhaps you'd be better served with a definition than some arbitrary criteria cobbled together.

I don't believe there is any such thing as blind instinct. There is consciousness and there is being affected by the environment and that's it.

(November 28, 2018 at 9:56 pm)Everena Wrote: I understand the words. I also understand that you have provided nothing that explains how the complexity of DNA could come about without an intelligent driving force. The big rock in your front yard did not create DNA. No matter what you think can arise from an inanimate object, it is literally not possible or logical in any way. And you obviously have no argument of your own.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Then explain to me what complexity means.

The question is not about what complexity means. The question is how could DNA come about without an intelligent driving force? The answer is: It could not.

(November 28, 2018 at 6:42 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:07 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Standard creationist ploy.

I did not say all animals have consciousness you liar. I did say fungi are just plants and should be classified as plants.

And you don't seem smart at all to me either. But then, no one who would willfully choose atheism does. And you have not been able to effectively argue any of my points of logic and those are totally my own. Go ahead and try and let's see how smart you are.



This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like, why do we exist at all? Why does anything exist at all? Why do we have conscious self-awareness? 
Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. 

And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 8.7  million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well. 

And it is impossible for the complex code of DNA to have just created itself from nothing with no intelligence. If you think it is possible, then explain how that kind of complexity could ever possibly come to be without a driving force of intelligence. 

Recently, scientists discovered a second language written on top of the original language that is responsible for controlling our genes. Who knows what they will discover next? 
https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/

Additonally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? 

Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? How would that even make sense?

And what about all the vast materials and resources we have on this planet like: fire, electricity, metals, coal, cotton, lye, latex to make rubber, glass etc etc. That would not just all be here by sheer luck or chance either.

And, what you are doing by claiming atheism is paramount to saying that big rock in your front yard created a universe. Not possible.

She's back to doing the Gish Gallop. Sorry, Everena, but all of the above has been refuted in previous posts. It's time for you to move on to other facetious creationist claims.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:52 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:I'm sure Bucky will be along shortly to repost a plethora of your gaffs.

I'm still trying to figure out which scientific journal to write to and publish Everena's totally amazing discovery ....
.... that you can tell whether something is a plant or fungus or another classification simply by going to the supermarket and looking to see what department it's in.  
Who'd a thunk it ?
Maybe there's a Journal of Woo-ology.

That's not even my point though. Mushrooms are plant-like, not animal-like. That is my point.

Quote:Oh really? Show me some evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species that is not plants.

It's been shown to you because the  example doesn't made up standards means nothing 

Quote:You mean you have no argument because you're wrong. People who are right, prove it

No i mean i'm not playing your games as i have expressed above and no people who are right don't waste their time trying to convince those who are not . They simply go on stating what is right and let those who are wrong stew in their own nonsense . 

Quote:Pretend whatever makes you happy. You all just choose to be science deniers as soon as science does not agree with your twisted illogical worldview.

Unlike you i don't need to pretend . Science is on our side  and the only science deniers is and the only person who conflates science with want is you .

Quote:That's not even my point though. Mushrooms are plant-like, not animal-like. That is my point.

Yet they are not

(November 28, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:42 pm)Everena Wrote: I did not say all animals have consciousness you liar. I did say fungi are just plants and should be classified as plants.

And you don't seem smart at all to me either. But then, no one who would willfully choose atheism does. And you have not been able to effectively argue any of my points of logic and those are totally my own. Go ahead and try and let's see how smart you are.



This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like, why do we exist at all? Why does anything exist at all? Why do we have conscious self-awareness? 
Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. 

And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 8.7  million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well. 

And it is impossible for the complex code of DNA to have just created itself from nothing with no intelligence. If you think it is possible, then explain how that kind of complexity could ever possibly come to be without a driving force of intelligence. 

Recently, scientists discovered a second language written on top of the original language that is responsible for controlling our genes. Who knows what they will discover next? 
https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/

Additonally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? 

Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? How would that even make sense?

And what about all the vast materials and resources we have on this planet like: fire, electricity, metals, coal, cotton, lye, latex to make rubber, glass etc etc. That would not just all be here by sheer luck or chance either.

And, what you are doing by claiming atheism is paramount to saying that big rock in your front yard created a universe. Not possible.

She's back to doing the Gish Gallop. Sorry, Everena, but all of the above has been refuted in previous posts. It's time for you to move on to other facetious creationist claims.

None of it was ever refuted by anyone, and you cannot refute logic with a few strawman arguments about food and no answers at all to anything else.

(November 28, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 6:42 pm)Everena Wrote: I did not say all animals have consciousness you liar. I did say fungi are just plants and should be classified as plants.

And you don't seem smart at all to me either. But then, no one who would willfully choose atheism does. And you have not been able to effectively argue any of my points of logic and those are totally my own. Go ahead and try and let's see how smart you are.



This entire universe and everything in it is evidence of higher intelligence. And science does not even attempt to answer any of the whys of our existence. Like, why do we exist at all? Why does anything exist at all? Why do we have conscious self-awareness? 
Science only attempts to discover and understand how an already existing and operating universe works. 

And food is evidence of God. Why do we have food for every fish, bird, insect, ... food for the approx 8.7  million different species of conscious life? Something like food being here, and being delicious and providing energy and nutrients cannot just be written off to chance or luck. And then there are medicinal plants and herbs as well. 

And it is impossible for the complex code of DNA to have just created itself from nothing with no intelligence. If you think it is possible, then explain how that kind of complexity could ever possibly come to be without a driving force of intelligence. 

Recently, scientists discovered a second language written on top of the original language that is responsible for controlling our genes. Who knows what they will discover next? 
https://www.washington.edu/news/2013/12/...etic-code/

Additonally, why would we even have a sex drive or a will to live? Just because of nothing and for no reason? How would nothingness care if our species survived? 

Also, we have discovered approx 200 billion different galaxies. Do you really think humans are the highest form of intelligence in 200 billion galaxies? How would that even make sense?

And what about all the vast materials and resources we have on this planet like: fire, electricity, metals, coal, cotton, lye, latex to make rubber, glass etc etc. That would not just all be here by sheer luck or chance either.

And, what you are doing by claiming atheism is paramount to saying that big rock in your front yard created a universe. Not possible.

She's back to doing the Gish Gallop. Sorry, Everena, but all of the above has been refuted in previous posts. It's time for you to move on to other facetious creationist claims.

Yup spewing the same claims over and over

(November 28, 2018 at 11:21 pm)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:That's not even my point though. Mushrooms are plant-like, not animal-like. That is my point.

Yet they are not

I suggest that we hence ignore any claims that she has made which have already been refuted and move on. It's obvious by now that she keeps repeating herself because she just likes to hear herself talk.

(November 28, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 11:21 pm)Amarok Wrote: Yet they are not

I suggest that we hence ignore any claims that she has made which have already been refuted and move on. It's obvious by now that she keeps repeating herself because she just likes to hear herself talk.

I wasn't talking to you and you are full of shit saying that anyone has refuted anything I have said. You just want to remain   because you love it. I love how the little devil is holding up a 2 fingers.

Wow, you can count to 2. Impressive. Now all you need is Hooked On Phonics.