Quote:I said that and I meant exactly that. It was not an error. I will say it again. Mushrooms are plant-like.

Which remains wrong and thus an error

(November 29, 2018 at 12:05 am)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:That's not even my point though. Mushrooms are plant-like, not animal-like. That is my point.

  So then produce and not the meat department. Gotcha.

Finally we agree on something.

Quote:Finally we agree on something.

(November 28, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 9:35 pm)Everena Wrote: I think if a species mates in a consious manner, and has a penis that it injects a female with, it is conscious.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: That's a fascinating definition. I think I begin to see why you think "microtubules" are involved.

Your definition is lovingly circular. A species must be conscious in order to mate "in a conscious manner" and if it mates "in a conscious manner" then clearly it is conscious. But what makes you think that barnacles do anything other than blindly follow instinct? It isn't as if the have a lot to work with in terms of brains.

Perhaps you'd be better served with a definition than some arbitrary criteria cobbled together.

I don't believe there is any such thing as blind instinct. There is consciousness and there is being affected by the environment and that's it.

"Being affected by the environment" is what blind instinct is. Show me that the barnacle with its mighty microtubule isn't simply being affected by its environment.

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(November 28, 2018 at 9:56 pm)Everena Wrote: I understand the words. I also understand that you have provided nothing that explains how the complexity of DNA could come about without an intelligent driving force. The big rock in your front yard did not create DNA. No matter what you think can arise from an inanimate object, it is literally not possible or logical in any way. And you obviously have no argument of your own.

(November 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Then explain to me what complexity means.

The question is not about what complexity means.

Then you do not understand the question you asked.

Quote:The question is how could DNA come about without an intelligent driving force? The answer is: It could not.

The question is how could an intelligent driving force come about? The answer: It could not.

I eagerly await your special pleading.

(November 29, 2018 at 12:32 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:I said that and I meant exactly that. It was not an error. I will say it again. Mushrooms are plant-like.

Which remains wrong and thus an error

Ha! Everyone thought mushrooms were closely related to plants until just recently, so there!!!!

What is a mushroom? Mushrooms are not plants! Recently it has been discovered that they are more closely related to animals. But at one time, Fungi, including mushrooms, were believed to be close relatives of plants so much of their nomenclature (names for parts of the mushroom) are close to the names used for plant parts. It is the fruit (like an apple) of the mushroom "body" and contain mushroom "seeds" called spores. The body of the mushroom in called mycelium and its individual parts are microscopic. Since the body of the mushroom is usually dispersed over a relatively large area it is rarely noticed. In nature some species of mushrooms may have a body that spreads over hundreds of square miles!

http://www.gmushrooms.com/info.htm

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(November 29, 2018 at 12:32 am)Amarok Wrote:

Quote:I said that and I meant exactly that. It was not an error. I will say it again. Mushrooms are plant-like.

Which remains wrong and thus an error

Ha! Everyone thought mushrooms were closely related to plants until just recently, so there!!!!

What is a mushroom? Mushrooms are not plants! Recently it has been discovered that they are more closely related to animals. But at one time, Fungi, including mushrooms, were believed to be close relatives of plants so much of their nomenclature (names for parts of the mushroom) are close to the names used for plant parts. It is the fruit (like an apple) of the mushroom "body" and contain mushroom "seeds" called spores. The body of the mushroom in called mycelium and its individual parts are microscopic. Since the body of the mushroom is usually dispersed over a relatively large area it is rarely noticed. In nature some species of mushrooms may have a body that spreads over hundreds of square miles!

http://www.gmushrooms.com/info.htm

Quote:Ha! Everyone thought mushrooms were closely related to plants until just recently, so there!!!!

What is a mushroom? Mushrooms are not plants! Recently it has been discovered that they are more closely related to animals. But at one time, Fungi, including mushrooms, were believed to be close relatives of plants so much of their nomenclature (names for parts of the mushroom) are close to the names used for plant parts. It is the fruit (like an apple) of the mushroom "body" and contain mushroom "seeds" called spores. The body of the mushroom in called mycelium and its individual parts are microscopic. Since the body of the mushroom is usually dispersed over a relatively large area it is rarely noticed. In nature some species of mushrooms may have a body that spreads over hundreds of square miles!

So they don't now. So this post is a waste of bandwidth.

People also use to believe Asbestos was an acceptable thing to keep in their homes . They were wrong .

(November 28, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

So...... I am to point out another error of yours  dear Everena?

(November 28, 2018 at 11:19 pm)Everena Wrote: That's not even my point though. Mushrooms are plant-like, not animal-like. That is my point.

Okay, done. I'm happy to 'Call it a day' after that.

All the best Everena.

Everyone thought mushrooms were closely related to plants until just recently! So HA!

What is a mushroom? Mushrooms are not plants! Recently it has been discovered that they are more closely related to animals. But at one time, Fungi, including mushrooms, were believed to be close relatives of plants so much of their nomenclature (names for parts of the mushroom) are close to the names used for plant parts. It is the fruit (like an apple) of the mushroom "body" and contain mushroom "seeds" called spores. The body of the mushroom in called mycelium and its individual parts are microscopic. Since the body of the mushroom is usually dispersed over a relatively large area it is rarely noticed. In nature some species of mushrooms may have a body that spreads over hundreds of square miles!

http://www.gmushrooms.com/info.htm

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(November 29, 2018 at 12:37 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 28, 2018 at 11:04 pm)Everena Wrote: I don't believe there is any such thing as blind instinct. There is consciousness and there is being affected by the environment and that's it.

"Being affected by the environment" is what blind instinct is. Show me that the barnacle with its mighty microtubule isn't simply being affected by its environment.

No, instincts are behaviors and exhibiting a behavior of any kind means you are conscious

Quote:The question is how could DNA come about without an intelligent driving force? The answer is: It could not.

The question is how could an intelligent driving force come about? The answer: It could not.

I eagerly await your special pleading.

God always has been and always will be and the big rock in your front yard could not have created DNA no matter how much you want to pretend it could have.

(November 29, 2018 at 12:39 am)Everena Wrote: Ha! Everyone thought mushrooms were closely related to plants until just recently, so there!!!!

Look! She's so proud of herself! Don't tell her that "recently" was back in 1969.

Now all you need to do ask Google "Are sponges plants?"

Quote:Reality always has been and always will be and the magic sky fairy in your head that you claim  invented DNA is nonsense [b]no matter how much you want to pretend otherwis[b]e [/b][/b]

Fixed

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(November 29, 2018 at 12:50 am)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 29, 2018 at 12:39 am)Everena Wrote: Ha! Everyone thought mushrooms were closely related to plants until just recently, so there!!!!

Look! She's so proud of herself! Don't tell her that "recently" was back in 1969.

Now all you need to do ask Google "Are sponges plants?"

Indeed